-solo-net [1-player coop] demos

dew said:

You need to play this demo with -solo-net command added.

Now you should not. I have added support for "-solo-net" and "-emulate x.y.z" command line switches in demo footer.

I remember discussing deaths in coop demos with AdamH.
You are allowed to die in a very limited way.

The demo is valid if the map exits while either :
- the death animation is not completed
- the corpse is still sliding or falling

If the corpse comes to a standstill the demo is invalid.

We discussed that because of demos like pl01 with players dying in order to exit faster.
It was also accepted for some demos where one player dies just while the other exits.

But what happened to "if the Doom engine allows it, then it's fair game"? Dying + respawning is default behaviour for coop/solo-net. I can understand wanting to separate deaths demos from no-deaths demos, but making deaths demos completely invalid doesn't make sense to me. Why not have separate categories? "No deaths or respawning" and "Respawning allowed". Both categories can be competitve and use different strategies. And there are some coop wads that literally require you to die if you want to exit.

Deaths aren't always lame. :)

You have to consider that when Compet-n was most active, and especially when the rules were made, coop was a rarer thing to do. It was mostly in a LAN environment, unless one were ready to deal with lag that jams the game occasionally. Cooperative also restricts how much time one may put into runs, as both players need to be available, making alternate categories distract from more polished or concentrated play.

Rather off-topic, one thing that's always annoyed me about Quake coop running is that it allows people to choose whether friendly fire hurts. Obviously, everyone is going to use teamplay 1 (no damage) because it allows one to abuse rocket jumps and player boosting. This makes the "option" irrelevant and teamplay 1 (which makes play a bit less interesting, in my opinion) the rule, especially considering that like in DOOM, respawning is not allowed; otherwise it may have been reasonable to use teamplay 0 sometimes to get one player killed so he can respawn and do something relevant near the start area.

Kama Sutra MAP13 Solo-Net Max in 5:55

I think its a interesting demo especially if you use walkcam and watch the assholes go at it.

ks13c555.zip

myk said:

Rather off-topic, one thing that's always annoyed me about Quake coop running is that it allows people to choose whether friendly fire hurts. Obviously, everyone is going to use teamplay 1 (no damage) because it allows one to abuse rocket jumps and player boosting. This makes the "option" irrelevant and teamplay 1 (which makes play a bit less interesting, in my opinion) the rule, especially considering that like in DOOM, respawning is not allowed; otherwise it may have been reasonable to use teamplay 0 sometimes to get one player killed so he can respawn and do something relevant near the start area.

the 1st coop demos I saw where the H2H contest demos. I was very amazed at these and they surely contributed to me trying coop demos.
I remember the players in these used deaths/respawns on purpose to save some time. Such demos could be interesting as well, even if I am a no death with teamdamage purist.

Vince, I didn't realize you're a no-death-with-teamdamage purist, considering all the times we played coopbuild on zdaemon a few years ago. :)

casual coops and serious demo coops are 2 different things :)

I treated these demos very seriously when I made them. :P

http://doomedsda.us/wad1039.html
http://doomedsda.us/wad1041.html
http://doomedsda.us/wad1060.html
http://doomedsda.us/wad1148.html

No activity in this thread...Well it's time to break the silence.

Kama Sutra MAP13 Solo-net Max in 5:04

ks13c504.zip

Finally some fresh stuff from you, Tenda! Good shit.

Edit: Man, great job on those cybies.

Nice run, TM, I see you improved your earlier borked one by 12 seconds. :) You only need to enable Extended Demo Format so that your demos can be played back automatically, specifying the executable and its version in the TXT wouldn't hurt either.

Here's my first -solo-net run: TNT MAP01 - UV Max in 1:26 - second exit, pretty casual.

Never_Again said:
specifying the executable and its version in the TXT wouldn't hurt either.

Yeah, this is important. It allows people to troubleshoot demos more easily (due to engine and version quirks) and allows people to roughly judge the demo based on how it was recorded (due to engine features).

Never_Again said:

You only need to enable Extended Demo Format so that your demos can be played back automatically, specifying the executable and its version in the TXT wouldn't hurt either.
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Oh...I forgot to put the Executable in my demo template file. I apologize about that. If you would like to know, I used Prboom-plus2.5.0.8. I also didn't know that enabling "Extended Demo Format" would allow the demo to playback automatically. I'm learning stuff from you a lot now. Same from you Myk.

Qaatar said:

Finally some fresh stuff from you, Tenda! Good shit.

Edit: Man, great job on those cybies.

Thanks Qaatar! The three MooMoos weren't always the problem, but the final two especially since the cyberdemons aggravation levels towards the player and monsters can be quite random(to me).

More ks demos. I don't remember when I enabled "extended format" for these demos so they might not play back automatically.

Enjoy

Kama Sutra MAP01, MAP09, & MAP12

ks-coop.zip

TendaMonsta said:

I don't remember when I enabled "extended format" for these demos so they might not play back automatically.

They all play back OK without needing to add -solo-net to the command-line, so you had successfully enabled this feature before recording.

Since this wad doesn't have its own thread (yet), I guess I should post these here.
Doom 2: Flashback to Hell Solo-net UV Maxes done on Prboom+ 2.5.1.4 cl9.
MAP01 in 4:00
MAP02 in 4:46
MAP03 in 4:03
MAP04 in 6:13
MAP05 in 7:40
MAP06 in 14:26
MAP07 in 3:46
MAP08 in 17:22

Trying to continue the wad in solo-net max, but it may be too difficult.

fthsolonetmaxes.zip

Flashback to Hell MAP09 Solo-net UV Max in 22:18

This wad in solo-net is brutal.

fth09solonetmax2218.zip

Flashback to Hell MAP10 Solo-net UV Max in 33:50!
This map was probably the hardest map I've ever done ever. There are like 8 cyberdemons in one room, and 318273129 chaingunners that can kill you instantly as the map begins. Needless to say, this took a long while to beat.

fth10solonetmax3350.zip

Flashback to Hell Solo-net UV Maxes for
MAP11 in 23:55
MAP12 in 32:10

fthsolonet11+12.zip

Flashback to Hell MAP13 Solo-net UV Max in 32:50. This is gonna be the last run I do for this wad since it appears 14 isn't possible, and 15, 31, 32 aren't fun at all.

fth13solonetmax3250.zip

Flashback to Hell
Map 31 UV Max in 2:02
Map 32 UV Max in 1:57

fth-rev.zip

Very nice infighting, good job dude.

TNT Evilution MAP02 Solo-net UV Max in 4:17

Cyberdemon531 said:

TNT Evilution MAP02 Solo-net UV Max in 4:17

Wrong .lmp, please reupload

Ugh, sorry. Here is a redo, and some other maps.

MAP01 in 1:15
MAP02 in 3:45
MAP03 in 4:04
MAP10 in 2:24

tntsolonetmaxes.zip

TNT Evilution MAP03 Solo-net UV Speed in 0:25

tnt03spdco25.zip

TNT Evilution MAP03 Solo-net No Monsters in 0:16

tnt03nomoco16.zip