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Xaser said:

This is more or less what I've been doing with my personal copy of the compiled wad (yeah, I'm doing it again D: ). Maps that are 'maybe's get stuck in with the rest of 'em though their slot tends to get swapped often when something better comes along. Still, even with all the good stuff and plausibly-good stuff (along with two unfinished but promising maps), the numbers still total up to less than 30 maps (not counting the secret levels ATM). Meaning we could still use some more community muscle. ;)

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Blackgaze said:
Is it too late to submit a map? With a soon-release date and hundreds submitted, is it pointless to try? I would LOVE to make a map in the style of the classics, it been amazing to take part. A week-average is all I need!

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Also like DOOM2, the difficulty increased on the maps as the game went on, as did the texture feels (from base to city to hell etc)
If I DO get a chance to make a map, how limited am I on creating the theme and the difficulty level?

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st.alfonzo said:
Oh, you've got loads of time, so sally up! The first project saw over 100 maps submitted, where as here we've only recently passed the 30 mark.

Well, we're looking to imitate not only the design styles of Romero, Petersen and McGee but also the arrangement and distribution of maps seen in the commercial product. There are clearly some odd disengagements from a straight up spaceport > cityscape > hell setup, most easily seen in maps like The Inmost Dens and The Abandoned Mines, so there will be a lot of leniency when it comes to allocating maps. With regards to difficulty, as long as you stay conscious of the difficulty trend when mapping into your desired area of the game, there won't be a problem. Again, there's room for spikes (and troughs!).

Welcome aboard! Give the first project a run through if you haven't already: This project is more than just a vessel for classic maps! :)

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Hellbent said:
@blackgaze and everyone: one thing the id maps seemed to consistently do (in both iwads) was to not have it feel obvious all the steps you are going through to get to the keys. Usually you walk up to a key and get it--rather than jump through all these hoops to reveal the key, which is basically how your map is up to the blue key. You could have the blue key where the backpack is and that would feel much more like an id way to drop a key. You still have to go do everything else since you have to open the blue door, but that would feel less contrived. I've notice this more and more--pwads tend to be much more contrived in the progress of the map compared to id maps that don't require you to jump through all these hoops and explore every part of the map to complete it. There's more of a natural chaos and sense of exploration to a doom 2 map than most custom maps tend to allow for. Also, there's no reason to reinterpret or reimagine areas from the original map28.. you should envision your spirit world how you want it, not a reexpression of existing areas in map28 (in-my-no-so-humble-opinion).

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Hellbent said:
MAP23 of Doom 2:

just played through it. Cool map. I think this map shows an excellent example of how id Software (read: Sandy Petersen) used keys in a creative, fun and non-stale way. Key getting isn't just about find key, find door, find next key, find next door. This sort of key placement and use should really try to be avoided, and mappers should try to avoid feeling like this is the only way to do keys, because it's not. Go play Map23 and see for yourself how the key/door routine is made fresh and interesting. Someone go play the map and post an explanation of how the key and respective door are used in a creative way and fun way.

Also interesting of note in the map: how many doors are in this map?

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st.alfonzo said:
Sure is! There are some key contributors finishing up with other commitments before returning here, and the impression I've gathered is that projects of this type are best tackled with an organised and collective interest... so there will be a mass resurgence of maps and information not to far into the future.

Of course, if you're still wanting to contribute then go ahead and do so! There are no map slots, as submissions will be selected based on their "idiocy" and working as part of the total product. Just as with the first project.

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Obsidian said:
Quick question: do you guys still need maps, and if so which ones? Just curious. :)

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• Sandy Maps
  While there have been a considerable number of sandy submissions for the project, there have also been many submissions in the style of Romero and Mcgee, and the number of maps in the style of the former should far outweigh those in the latter. A high quality Petersen map will probably increase the map's chances of inclusion, not to mention make for a better overall product. If you're thinking of making a map in the Sandy style, maps of the E2 "sandbox" variety, ala map13 and 16, are sorely lacking. We are also at a loss for conceptually driven/gimmicky maps such as map07, 08 and map23.
  
  
• E2 and E3 McGee Maps
  Study map14 and map22 if you're wanting to make an urban/hellish McGee map, but also investigate the differences and similarities between these maps and his E1 efforts.
  
  
• Map01's
  We don't have very many of these at all, which is surprising considering the importance of the slot. It's the plinth of greatness. The first impression. The de facto deathmatch! It's basically Doom 2's postcard map and yet we're running dry. Focusing on producing a map that is friendly to new players and introduces certain Doom mechanics or gameplay features is a good focus to have when tackling a map for this slot. Incidentally, that's a good focus to have in any case for this project, though particularly for the earlier numbers.
  
  
• map07's
  The special tags native to map07 should be an integral mechanic in the functioning of the map (such as is the case in Dead Simple) in or order to make sense of their being introduced for the game.
  
  
• map30's
  We need them!

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st.alfonzo said:
IMMENSILUS UPDATICUS:

D2TWiD is rolling again! Within the last week we've seen an additional 8 maps submitted for the project in the styles of Romero and Mcgee, many of such an impressive quality and authenticity that the roster is threatening to fill up faster than you or I can blink.

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purist said:
This is great news but where are these maps? They don't seem to be on the D2TWID website.

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_bruce_ said:
St. Alfonzo you've made some great observations especially regarding Sandy's key placements... it greatly contributed to Doom II's outworldly anarchic feel that's hard to describe.

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st.alfonzo said:
If you're thinking of making a map in the Sandy style, maps of the E2 "sandbox" variety, ala map13 and 16, are sorely lacking.

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