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Foodles said:
It sounds like marnetmar wants to creat a classic doom episode with new textures, well you don't need to create a whole new game to do that.

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Stilgar said:
Speaking as one of the founders of the Blasphemer project, who's learned about these things the hard way, NAY. It may sound fun at first, but eventually it's going to not be, and you realize that you're just spending effort on re-making a game for free that someone already made and got paid for when you could be putting that effort to making your own new game instead, with an engine that's easier to work with than Doom's with all its peculiarities, and without the legal grey area that doing these clone-off reskin projects entails.

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hex11 said:
One of the nice things about Freedoom, Blasphemer, and other similar projects is that they can be used to run the vast, ever-expanding collection of PWADs. A completely original game gives you more freedom and less potential legal problems, but it'll just be one of many other games out there, with little or no add-on support.

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Stilgar said:

The PWAD compatibility factor is IMO overrated (especially for Heretic, which has few add-ons and fewer that are worth it) and problematic in itself (do the reskins fit with replacement textures based on the game you're cloning, if the WAD adds some of its own? Not likely, unless you're copying stuff too close for comfort. And what about more extensive mods? Then it gets even worse.) If you want to play stuff made for a particular game, play them the way they were meant to be (in the game they were made for.)

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Marnetmar said:


http://tinyurl.com/3ub9446

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hex11 said:
I played extensively using the Freedoom IWADs + Chocolate Doom and found only a small subset of PWADs to not work properly. Even full-fledged TCs like School Doom and Aliens TC worked fine. I think the only time you'll run into major problems is if a PWAD replaces only part of a sprite's frames, which then leads to the sprite alternating between the modified id sprite (contained in the PWAD) and the completely different Freedoom IWAD version. But I only encountered that problem in a small percentage of PWADs. More often, I found modidified id textures, but those blended in fine with the Freedoom ones. And of course, most vanilla PWADs are just plain maps with occasionally some new music and/or sound FX.

So I've found Freedoom to be quite usable for the purpose of running PWADs. It does have a slightly different flavor than id's version and that's to be expected since the game can't legally be too close. I don't think that's a bad thing, and any similar project should also try to distance itself enough, not only to avoid legal problems but also because it then creates a unique experience of its own.

Btw, another merit of using the Doom engine vs. a completely new game is that plain old vanilla Doom nailed the gameplay in ways later games didn't match, despite arguably better engine technicals and graphics, etc.

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Sodaholic said:
Damnit, I keep not being clear on precisely what I mean. What I was talking about earlier in emulating the original Doom closely was not in trying to make it have near identical resources. I was talking about the graphical style. It should definitely be different, but I think it should have the same style that id used. Just slightly different maybe, but still have the overall same feel and tone.

Again, I emphasize that what's most important is that it feels clean, polished and well-done, as opposed to FreeDoom's kinda sloppy feeling style.

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esselfortium said:
I wish people would magically make high-quality projects for me, too.

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esselfortium said:
I wish people would magically make high-quality projects for me, too.

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40oz said:
But I can think of a cohesive creative direction for all the art and sound scheme of a new game, and have also acquired the skills to be able to make those sprites, textures, sound, graphics, maps and so on. Some day.... Some day.

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Sodaholic said:
It's also best to create hq resources from the beginning and not fill it full of crappy resources for the sake of filling it with resources.

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Sodaholic said:
Perhaps there should be a set time limit for debates, as to prevent that 2 month stuff from happening again.

I'm willing to contribute sound and graphics work to the game. I'm kinda looking forward to this idea, when might this project start?

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Sodaholic said:
May I suggest using medium poly models to make monster sprites out of? If this is done, make sure that it doesn't have a textured look, but rather is smooth and has solid colors. This way, it will be just like how id made clay models, and it will look good.

This would be to avoid that shitty appearance of stuff like how the FreeDoom zombies look, so it would look cleaner.

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Sodaholic said:
Perhaps there should be a set time limit for debates, as to prevent that 2 month stuff from happening again.

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Mithran Denizen said:
In my opinion, the Freedoom zombie sprites are among the most interesting and visually distinctive in the whole project, along with many of the other hand-drawn assets.

It's that odd (and overly shiny) model-ripped look of the imps and cacodemons that strikes me as needing the most improvement.

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Mithran Denizen said:
It's that odd (and overly shiny) model-ripped look of the imps and cacodemons that strikes me as needing the most improvement.

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Marnetmar said:
Seems like a good start, but I'd stay away from the whole "Aliens" thing personally.

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