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Phml said:
Your position is understandable, but I don't think it's realistic for you to assume everyone shares the same view.

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NiuHaka said:
@Fraggle:
I agree with some of that but I disagree that games should play a certain way just because they have a certain look.

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fraggle said:
I, uh, never said that I assume that?

Also not what I said, either. If you think that's the point I was making then you've completely misunderstood.

What I'm trying to say is that it all comes down to details. The little, subtle things that the game designers put in to give everything just the right feel.

The original question in starting this thread was, "[is there] anything to make DOOM a little bit newer?". "Newer" I interpret to mean, "like a modern game". The problem I see with this question is it presupposes a kind of shallowness in thinking - that all you need to have a "modern game" is to replace the sprites with models and upgrade the textures. In reality, to make it properly "newer" requires a vast amount more effort: everything from the level design, to the sound, gameplay, AI, etc.

That's why I said that mods like this "change Doom from being an awesome old game to a really mediocre modern game". Sure, you've changed it to something "newer" - more modern, but if you evaluate it as you would a modern game, it's just not very good.

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NiuHaka said:
@Fraggle:
Okay. I see now. I do hope that we (The Ascension Team) are taking the kind of care that you speak of. So far we are covering everything but the sound effects. My opinion as a designer and former video game artist/modeler/animator is that the project has a wonderful sense of unity between all of the assets we are working. Admittedly those sound effects need an upgrade along with it. Just haven't found anyone interested.

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qoncept said:

As for Doom 3, it's not the high res textures or 3d models that make it "not Doom." What makes it not Doom is the slower gameplay, smarter and fewer monsters. Maybe id would have made the AI more capable in 1993 if they could, but they didn't, and in my mind any monster that isn't either coming toward me or attacking isn't Doom.

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NiuHaka said:
@Fraggle:
Okay. I see now. I do hope that we (The Ascension Team) are taking the kind of care that you speak of. So far we are covering everything but the sound effects. My opinion as a designer and former video game artist/modeler/animator is that the project has a wonderful sense of unity between all of the assets we are working.

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40oz said:
There are plenty of various enhancement stuff around here. Some source ports feature OpenGL rendering, full mouse looking, jumping/crouching, dynamic lighting, basic shadow rendering, blood splat decals, bullet holes, particle effects, splashing water (like in Heretic and Hexen), 3D models, interpolated monster movement, hi resolution textures, music remixes, high resolution sounds, smoother sprite animations for weapons, etc.

Using most of these things will eventually make Doom look like this.

http://www.doomworld.com/vbmisc/qvid.png

Whether or not it looks good is up to your discretion. Depending on what source port you like to play with, you can have most of these things on source ports like JDoom, GZDoom, and Skulltag.

All these enhancements are made by various people and are not all bundled up in one package, so you'll probably be linked to various doom threads and forums and web pages for downloads, and deal with different installation procedures to get them all functional together. It's not too complicated if you're willing to read though. The convenient part of it though is that if you don't like certain features, it's easy to have some and not others. It'll help us get you on the right track if you mention which source port you are currently using and we can direct you where to go from there.

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NiuHaka said:
I'll redirect you to the very first response in this thread. It is the best and only real answer to your question. To sum it up for you the answer is: No.

I was second to respond and I added to Maes' comment by informing you that the marathon sprites you mentioned were pre-rendered 3d models which means they are sprites but 3d models were used to generate them. I thought that since that was the case that you might actually be interested in some higher quality 3d models despite your comment about 3d models.

However there are the Doom 64 sprites. I'm not sure if anyone has ripped those and made them available in mod form. It might be worth it to you to search for that.

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idSoftware981 said:
If it is no, then how come there is a mod that is making the original sprites high res in (8x). You know the thing on ZDoom Forums?!

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