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Graf Zahl said:


I work there, too, but the code is still a mess! ;-)

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DarkknightXC said:


Out of interest, what do you do in the industry?

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iori said:
Lee Killough was accused of this as well...

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I did not enjoy adding features on demand. I enjoyed designing and implementing things such as conveyors, linedef 242, silent teleporters, more robust and synchronized demo features, simulated torque for hanging objects, bouncy and touchy "things," dog AI, the classic BFG2704. Those were things I wanted, whether others wanted them or not. And I know I made some people happy, so there's a small sense of satisfaction there, but it could have been done without so much bloodshed.

But the satisfaction was almost totally overwhelmed by this tendency for non-coders to send requests, often based on incorrect assumptions. ... I can't fault them for their ignorance, and I tried to explain things to them all the time, but it became tiresome having to explain this over and over, and even frustrating sometimes.

I was in a dilemma: I could either shut people out, so that I could concentrate on doing the "fun" things, and risk alienating people and making them stop considering me or my project at all, or I could pander to their every whim, which adds stress, and which I cannot tolerate doing forever. I leaned on the latter, but my most creative acts in MBF (all the "awe-inspiring" features) were ones that were not asked for on request, but which were my original ideas.

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Planky said:
Dragging the topic back for a second, could fs still cause seg faults regardless of no fs present in wads?

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DarkknightXC said:
I do recall that they did want to add a higher-res in Phase I of Boom, but Lee effectively stopped it. I don't think anyone now thinks of running Doom in 320x200 or would consider it acceptable.

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* Improved Video Options

+ 640x400 high-detail mode, without bad side effects:
- Doom world scenes and automap are rendered in 640x400 for higher detail
- Doom's aspect ratio is preserved exactly (no elongated textures/sprites)
- Status bar, menus, text, intermission screens all remain full-sized
- Optional hardware page-flipping

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Grazza said:
You make it sound like he hated the very idea of high resolutions. But this is from MBF.TXT:They sound to me like the words of someone who just wanted it done properly, rather rushing it in and risking doing a half-assed job.

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Graf Zahl said:
The code is a Mess. It depends on side effects, uses global variables in a manner that makes my head hurt and if you change something, beware, you might break something seemingly unrelated in it. I tried once to clean it up but it was a futile exercise. Ask Quasar if you want another opinion.

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deep said:
Actually, I read the "admission" as a good appraisal of the development problems one faces from users. A good example of what happens is the total distortion attempted here on these forums from that very post.

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...but I can see how someone much younger would see this as a strange thing to put up with.

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Grazza said:
You make it sound like he hated the very idea of high resolutions.

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DarkknightXC said:
Reading Lee's page reminds me how much that Doom Purist debate caused and how much a of bad taste it left in the mouth for such an arguably irrational discussion. However, that is very much water under the bridge and not important anymore.

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I don't think it strange and I'm probably not as young as you think I am :).

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Lee Killough said:
ZDoom ripping and obfuscating my and others' source code. More than that, it was the fact that ZDoom was still getting credit for it, and that almost no-one cared.

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DarkknightXC said:
I do recall that they did want to add a higher-res in Phase I of Boom, but Lee effectively stopped it. I don't think anyone now thinks of running Doom in 320x200 or would consider it acceptable.

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iori said:
VinceDSS

SKYBOXES!: Yes, portals were in the source at one point (added by SoM), but were removed for a vital reason, so say sourcecode comments. I'm a big advocate for these as well.

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Grazza said:
The things that made me stop using Legacy were all compatibility issues. None of the following are even available as options:

• voodoo dolls
  
• ghosts ("Arch-Vile bug")
  
• lost-soul limit
  
• "actors" "infinitely" tall
  
• height reduction on death working the same as in the original game

So I guess they are the things I'd like to see most.

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