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MikeRS said:

* or for Linux as well, but don't expect sound to work, thanks FMOD!

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MikeRS said:
or for Linux as well, but don't expect sound to work, thanks FMOD!

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MikeRS said:
ZDoom is very much only for Windows.*

* or for Linux as well, but don't expect sound to work, thanks FMOD!

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Graf Zahl said:


Yeah, it's sooo easy to blame some software for the shortcomings of ypour hardware or drivers!

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Csonicgo said:

Is this FMOD's fault? YES, because dozens of other audio libraries follow along just fine on my soundcard. 1 out of so many hardlock my computer, and you say it's my hardware? And before you say FMOD uses my "soundcard" fully or unlike other libraries, I'm gonna call bullshit on that too. Don't even try to play that card.

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Super Jamie said:

SDL is a far better choice for cross-platform media support, but saying "Oh I'll just rewrite ZDoom with all SDL libs instead" is not exactly realistic.

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To the observer, the main development focus of ZDoom and GZDoom does seem to be Windows. That's nothing really new, and GZDoom runs great on Wine under Linux, so that's fine by me. You can install Wine on OSX so maybe give that a go?

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Super Jamie said:
ZDoom can output 5.1 surround sound? That's quite impressive!

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I agree totally with what you say, and "coping" with the prevalence of primarily-Windows development is something any minority OS user should be prepared to deal with. Of course, this experience also makes me eternally thankful that working build scripts and precompiled Linux packages are available for things like PrBoom, Chocolate Doom and Doomsday.

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Super Jamie said:
Posting such output on the dev forum seems like it would just be annoying spam?

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Graf Zahl said:


Now take a good guess why FMOD is being used. ;)




Randy and I are trying - but since I don't use Linux I need to depend on others. And here lies a small problem. Although many of the Linux users are trying to help a few of them do it in a way that does not really help. The rule here is: I can't test so I need a pre-tested fix to make sure something works.

The thing is, unlike most of the simpler source ports which don't bother to go much beyond SDL (puke) have a much easier task to keep operational Linux builds, at the expense of an inferior Windows version. ZDoom on the other hand implements dedicated Windows interface code to avoid the shortcomings of SDL on this platform and this is probably the biggest complication in keeping Linux operational because it uses completely different low level code than Windows. Then again, are ZDoom's build scripts really that bad?

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Mike.Reiner said:

SDL is crap on windows.. hm. What's wrong with it? Doesn't PrBoom-plus use it? It seems to work well enough.

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Graf Zahl said:



Have you ever tried to use an SDL application with a non-English keyboard?

Have you ever tried to selectively disable specific SDL features - in particular its utterly shitty input handling?

Both won't work, SDL hijacks the entire system and gives you no chance to work around it in a decent fashion.

English speaking users most likely won't notice most of SDL's problems. As Randy once said, 'there's a good reason why ZDoom does not use SDL under Windows.'

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Honestly, I think it would be stupid not to put 90% of development effort where 90% of the users are.

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John Smith said:


EDIT: In fact, I use OS X, Windows 7, and Ubuntu 9.04. All 64-bit versions. GZDoom works on none at all, due to various Windows 7 and OpenGL fun time things (stuff that most software just disables if it doesn't work, instead of gzdoom which just crashes), and the fact that it just plain doesn't work on OSs other than Windows. ZDoom works in OS X but its an older version, and sort of works in 7 before it decides to crash. In Linux it neither has sound nor a functional keyboard.

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John Smith said:


And honestly graf, next time somebody trots out "theres no reason not to use zdoom for x" I'm liking this thread with an attached giant "fuck you pic." Works both ways yo.

EDIT: In fact, I use OS X, Windows 7, and Ubuntu 9.04. All 64-bit versions. GZDoom works on none at all, due to various Windows 7 and OpenGL fun time things (stuff that most software just disables if it doesn't work, instead of gzdoom which just crashes), and the fact that it just plain doesn't work on OSs other than Windows. ZDoom works in OS X but its an older version, and sort of works in 7 before it decides to crash. In Linux it neither has sound nor a functional keyboard.

Honestly, like, I have tried to use both these ports, and like, enjoy using them, but forcing me into using, like, a specific OS or configuration of hardware or both is like, totally not the best way to keep a userbase, like, you know?

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