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esselfortium
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myk said:
Perhaps, if you can separate sections consistently, which is not easy if and when various doors and such are opened. Also, if the blockmap gets too big the level will crash sooner or later (more sooner than later, in most cases).

Oh fack. Heh. Maybe z1m3 will have to be two separate maps after all. Guess we'll find out sometime soon.


By the way, if you guys need additional testing support I could help. This is the kind of project I'm best with (due to hacking expertise, resource management experience, and love for the simple Doom format and its game play).

Great, I appreciate it. :)

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why would ANYONE want to remake kdizd with bad graphics?? o.o

/me facepalms like he has never facepalmed before

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esselfortium said:
Maybe z1m3 will have to be two separate maps after all.
The max blockmap size is 64KB. One thing that can help is ZenNode's blockmap compression.
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SuperSlammer2 said:
why would ANYONE want to remake kdizd with bad graphics?? o.o


lol
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SuperSlammer2 said:
why would ANYONE want to remake kdizd with bad graphics?? o.o

Because everyone basically hated KDiZD to the point even DRE was better. So some mappers believe it's worthy to remake it so they'll get all honors and the people who made the original KDiZD will fall into the hall of shame along with Glassyman, Daniel and co.
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esselfortium said:
let's all just get along :(
NO!

Your family is ugly, and your personal hygiene is questionable >:|
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SuperSlammer2 said:
why would ANYONE want to remake kdizd with bad graphics?? o.o


Those "bad graphics" are actually taken from kdizd, So your basically saying the original kdizd graphics were bad.
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Because everyone basically hated KDiZD to the point even DRE was better. So some mappers believe it's worthy to remake it so they'll get all honors and the people who made the original KDiZD will fall into the hall of shame along with Glassyman, Daniel and co.


.....uhhhh. I had enough difficulty trying to respond to SuperSlammer's post. I don't even know what to say to this. You're seriously saying that my motive for putting an enormous amount of time and work into making this project actually happen is to make other people look bad? http://sl4.startan3.com/emot/emot-psyduck.gif

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Because everyone basically hated KDiZD to the point even DRE was better. So some mappers believe it's worthy to remake it so they'll get all honors and the people who made the original KDiZD will fall into the hall of shame along with Glassyman, Daniel and co.

This is so unbelievably trollish I facepalmed too. I was unaware that "everyone" hated it? Must be why that, when I nominated it for one of the best wads of the year, there were very few complaints. KDiZD is not without its share of problems and complaints, but it is hardly loathed. In fact, 3 and a half stars on the idgames review board is a pretty decent score.

Still, I will love to see what Essel and the team can create. More wads = more fun.
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SuperSlammer2 said:
why would ANYONE want to remake kdizd with bad graphics?? o.o

Because you touch yourself at night.
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Esselfortium told me to post in this thread, so I did. Another job well done, Spork old bean. Now to retire to the spork-cave.
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NO I MEANT how doom looks all blurry and horrible instead of zdoom

idiots
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SuperSlammer2 said:
NO I MEANT how doom looks all blurry and horrible instead of zdoom

idiots

Excuse me?

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SuperSlammer2 said:
NO I MEANT how doom looks all blurry and horrible instead of zdoom

idiots

If it makes you feel any better, you could play this in zdoom anyway and not have 'all blurry and horrible' graphics! Who woulda thought!
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I've always thought Doom to be more blocky than blurry, anyway, especially when compared to opengl ports...

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SuperSlammer2 said:
NO I MEANT how doom looks all blurry and horrible instead of zdoom

idiots


You can't play this wad in any port or any program except doom.exe so there's really no use for you to keep posting in this thread, it won't change, sorry dude!
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that f**kin sucks

oh well. good luck on making it.
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lol he censored himself.

Looking good though.
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superslammer seems to be a very intelligent person....

.......

NOT!
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SuperSlammer2 said:
NO I MEANT how doom looks all blurry and horrible instead of zdoom

idiots


Umm. in case the opening post was too deceiving for you, making kdizd vanilla compatible would mean making it compatible with ALL PORTS. not just vanilla doom or zdoom.

idiot.
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superslammer, you obviously aren't aware that there is a considerable chunk of the doomer population that actually prefers vanilla doom.

i'm looking forward to this project's release. keep up the good work.
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JohnnyRancid said:
making kdizd vanilla compatible would mean making it compatible with ALL PORTS
Or at least all those that support/don't break vanilla features. Most notably dehacked, but there are other things too.

It is completely feasible to make a vanilla-compatible wad that doesn't work in pretty much any port. Let's see: a spechits overflow-dependent exit (cf. Strain map07) means it only works with prboom-plus or Chocolate, and then you can add in some sort of error that Doom2.exe doesn't mind but that causes a crash in those ports. That would be a pretty stupid thing to do, of course.
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superslammer, you obviously aren't aware that there is a considerable chunk of the doomer population that actually prefers vanilla doom.

Even I don't believe this. I think you mean "Vanilla compatible maps". You would be a fool to use Doom2.exe... especially since it barely runs on modern hardware. Chocolate, PRBoom, Boom, hell... even ZDoom is 100% vanilla compatible.
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Scuba Steve said:

Even I don't believe this. I think you mean "Vanilla compatible maps". You would be a fool to use Doom2.exe... especially since it barely runs on modern hardware. Chocolate, PRBoom, Boom, hell... even ZDoom is 100% vanilla compatible.

I wouldn't call ZDoom vanilla-compatible, but that's a discussion for another thread.

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that's what i meant.
in reference to this: "why would ANYONE want to remake kdizd with bad graphics??"
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SuperSlammer2 said:
Nothing worth quoting!

Try using a resolution higher than 320x200.
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I'm not sure if I can take this thread for serious or not ;) But, if it is, I am keen on seeing how this will be actually made possible. Have fun by reducing the KDiZD maps to make them even work in vanilla doom :P
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Yes this thread is serious. The project exists and is serious. Let's stop asking that question because IT IS REAL KTHXBYE.
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Have you got any screens I want to drool over my keyboard.
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esselfortium said:

He says it doesn't matter to him, and he'll take whatever's open pretty much. If you want to collaborate, that'd be cool, but you can have z1m7 if you want it.

Currently open: z1m5, z1m6, z1m7, z1m8.


Well, if Tango really doesn't mind I'll take z1m7. I just don't want to seem like a douche for stealing his map :p
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dutch devil said:
Have you got any screens I want to drool over my keyboard.


Here are all the shots I took when I was going around looking for potential things to include in the advertisement in the first post: http://sl4.startan3.com/screens/kdikdizd/promoshots/
(The 320x200 shots there are actual-size! heh)

Tormentor667 said:
I'm not sure if I can take this thread for serious or not ;) But, if it is, I am keen on seeing how this will be actually made possible. Have fun by reducing the KDiZD maps to make them even work in vanilla doom :P

Thanks! It's a challenge, but most things aren't as impossible as they seem if you've got a bit of creativity with how they can be pulled off :)

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Well, if Tango really doesn't mind I'll take z1m7. I just don't want to seem like a douche for stealing his map :p

He said he didn't care much which map he was doing, though you can ask him yourself if you want to be sure :p

Mancubus II said:
Yes this thread is serious. The project exists and is serious. Let's stop asking that question because IT IS REAL KTHXBYE.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, could you please rephrase it more clearly? :P

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