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myk said:
Copy pasting and recreations aren't very different. One makes a copy, the other a derivative work. Both are copyright infringement when you don't have permission.

For the DOOM games, you can legally use pieces of an IWAD (or a derivation of them) in a PWAD which requires the IWAD the pieces are taken from. So to make a PWAD that takes things (or is based on things) from more than one IWAD, it should require all the base IWADs.

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Chrome Bolt said:
I'm already getting to work at this. But recreating the levels is quite annoying.

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Do0minat0r said:


It's meant to be a community project. Think KDiZD, etc.

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Chrome Bolt said:


Yes. Precisely. I'm doing some work to start it off.

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Nixot said:
There's one on Maximum Doom called IDBEST.WAD that combines E1M1..5 together.

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Hellbent said:
If anyone is interested in playtesting the updated version let me know.

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Hellbent said:
my uacexp.wad level has elements from each e1 level together in an original map. It was featured on the last /newstuff as well as one from many many years ago.

Reviews of it:
"You're going to love this. A single map for DOOM, E1M4, in Episode 1 style! I would agree that this level does capture some of the many intangibles of E1M3, M4, and M6. And the level is very, very long. Some of you will just eat this one up! The pulsating lights, space base walls, it imitates Episode 1 rather well, in my opinion. ZDoom recommended."

"Absolutely epic. This level seems to have lots of architecture from episode 1, but tons of original new stuff too. The theme was consistent throughout, and you kept true to the original theme of episode 1 by not using any registered content. It was quite confusing to navigate however, but the gameplay was superb. Hats off to you sir! 5/5! From Nixot."

"A map for Doom, on E1M4. It's a classic Doom style map. It pulls this off pretty well, feeling like an expanded classic map, with a lot of monsters. The layout is large and non-linear. Ammo is pretty tight at first; you can end up running out if you take the wrong path. The map has 25 secrets in total, so you might want to get to hunting down those secrets. Fans of classic Doom will definitely want to check this one out. Recommended."

The map has many areas that are very similar to areas from various E1 maps, but it also has areas that feel new but not out of place for an e1 map. Perhaps instead of DoOminator's idea of combining existing maps into one map (I've actually done this many years ago with a couple e2 levels) one can go through all the e1 maps and get inspiration to recreate similar areas and connect them together in an original map so that it is distinctly E1. For me my uacexp map has elements from all of the e1 maps 1thru7. I'm actually tweaking the map a little to make some of the secrets not so challenging. If anyone is interested in playtesting the updated version let me know.

I played idbest just now. Many of the sutures seemed hackneyed by today's standards but otherwise it was pretty neat. what was with the exit tho.... The m1 outdoor secret connected to m2 was the best connection in the map. Since there seems to be some legality issues, why not 'copy' from scratch all the areas that you like best from Doom into original maps with original areas as well as 'copied' areas... though if the legality stuff can be worked out, I'm all for DoOminator's idea, although it will be pretty hard to merge the 3 (or 4) M9s into a cohesive whole and none of those maps are particularly interesting anyhow.

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Do0minat0r said:


I finally played uacexp about a week ago and I liked it too. In particular, it has more unnecessary to visit areas than most modern maps (or even most from 2000), which really gave a classic, old feel to it; I felt just like I was playing something ID made. In fact, it felt even more classic than some other classic wads or even megawads, including the recent Ultimate NMD by Fiend (that has slightly less simplistic architecture and mostly does away with unnecessary to visit areas).

However, I have two suggestions for improvement that you didn't explicitly mention working on. Firstly, while I don't mind the very simple architecture/very low detail level (and it likely was the intent of the map to be like that anyway), the texture alignment could use some improvement. Secondly, I was a bit disappointed when I found just one key and then after opening the door that needed it, I went through a few rooms and found the exit. It is a great level, but despite its size, it just seemed to end too soon. But some of the original maps did that too, so that may be intentional. However, I just wanted to point that out anyway.

On a side note, I plan on playing Lost Refinery sometime soon.

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Hellbent said:
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it! I was gonna update lost refinery as well with a few small tweaks... LR replaces e1m3 and uacexp replaces e1m4, so you may want to try playing the two updated versions back to back.

You know, I just recently realized the map has only one key (not sure if that was intentional when I made it or not--probably). It is a bit odd for such a large map. I'll see about maybe adding another key or prolonging the exit somehow. How many secrets did you find? Were they too hard? too easy? Do you care about that kind of stuff? Any other experiences or impressions would be helpful. One thing I think may be too challenging about the map is the scarcity of rad suits and their locations. This was done intentionally to make the effort to get those remote secrets more difficult and thus the reward for doing them sweeter, but perhaps they were too hard?

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Hellbent said:
You know, I just recently realized the map has only one key (not sure if that was intentional when I made it or not--probably).

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Hellbent said:
I will improve the texture alignments, particularly ones that make it look like there is a secret when there isn't (id did this sometimes too, tho, since they were somewhat lazy with the alignments). I like your idea of a secret exit off of e1m3. I have to be honest, tho, these two maps, particulalry uacexp, are rather rare for me to produce that kind of quality, (they are probably my best SP maps) but I will try to make an e1m9 as compelling. I was always somewhat disappointed by E1M9. It always seemed a little uninspired for a secret level: not as interesting or evocative as the regular levels when it should be even cooler. Over the years I've given it thought as to what a good secret level for E1 would be like. I never really came up with any good ideas, though, but I am going to brain storm it for awhile. My idea of a secret level was always that it should be very distinct with something non-conventional to set it apart. Warrens had the right idea, but the execution wasn't all that inspired. Sort of goes the same for The Fortress, but it is such a short level! Military Base has a star teleport, but so does E1M5. It is unique to the rest of the maps in that it has a very grid like layout--but this is not an interesting way to make a distinction from the rest, it feels uninspired.

EDIT: I'm impressed you found the secret with the 3 lifts. Took me awhile to figure out how to time the switches in order to make all 3 lifts. You say the "just secrets" but the secrets are a big part of what make me like this map and was my original impetus to make it. When I replayed this map, it was like it was the first time because I barely remembered it having made it 9 years ago; I didn't remember 3/4 of the secrets. But I found them to be very rewarding when I did find them and to provide that old feeling that i loved about E1 of finding secrets (more so than most maps I play). The most classic examples of great secrets from E1 that I was trying to emulate would be the secrets where you had to jump into slime... like on E1M4 to get the RL; all the secrets leading to the secret level (but I guess everyone concurs on that), and the secret in the slime on E1M6 after you get the blue key; so many of the secrets in uacexp aimed at recapturing the atmosphere and feeling of finding those secrets, and when I played the map it really succeeded for me in ways other maps don't. (I don't mean to toot my own horn, that was just my own experience playing the map, and everyone has unique tastes.) I'm glad I rediscovered this map because it is one of the few maps where I succeed (for my own feeling at least) at creating what is for me the quintessential atmosphere and high points of the E1 experience.

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