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TheMionicDonut said:
what demo do you have?

That is map03 on the version i got.

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Sounds very similar to DN3D's XPLASMA.MID to me

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TheMionicDonut said:
On another note, since evolution has so kindly offered us a server, would it be prctical to make some type of alpha with the 20 some-ought maps that are sent in, so we dont have to wait for those last five or so before anything gets done. We have a testing server, apparently, the least we can do is use it :P

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Eris Falling said:
I was looking for MIDI's for one of my own maps from another project, and stumbled across Jimmy's collection. There I found the TNT2 folder, and Dark Omen seems to be your title track, or was at least.

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Ragnor said:
Please dont replace ALL the music. I like a lot of TNT's unique music, its part of the TNT charm. I would like all the music to be new or old TNT tracks though. *now has Deepest Reaches' theme in head after posting this*

Just my opinion on music there.

I'll be doing a lot of playtesting today, now that my holiday's over and I have the free time. I think I have 16 or 17 of them..

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Ragnor said:
Please dont replace ALL the music. I like a lot of TNT's unique music, its part of the TNT charm. I would like all the music to be new or old TNT tracks though. *now has Deepest Reaches' theme in head after posting this*

Just my opinion on music there.

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Olympus said:
Quick question guys: will the maps from the OLD demo be included? I really liked those maps, especially the second one. I was also wondering if they were still available for download?

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Whoo said:
EDIT: Here are the maps from the original demo.

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Memfis said:

The lighting in the first two maps is very weak IMO: almost every area is very bright (light level 192 or higher) and the lighting differences are barely noticeable. map03 is a lot better in this aspect. Also I'd say that the gameplay on map01 is rather silly: you get SSG to fight against mostly weak monsters: imps, zombies, demons... It's sooooo easy. And the arch-vile on the exit is pointless I think: you can easily kill him from a safe spot and he can't attack you or ressurect any monsters unless you're really careless. Map02 is cramped and confusing... Map03 is overall okay I guess but the cyberdemon "battle" is a chore... Or are you supposed to just skip him? But that is luck based I think.

The 2011 demo is a LOT better. :)

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Ragnor said:
Just finished Mionic Donut's Map 24. It is...brutal, in a single word. Took me nearly all day to complete on UV. In the last room I eventually just said "fuck it" and cheated for that last room, just to get the map done. I did find some errors and things that done seem they should be that way, and I think some gameplay should be a bit more balanced. I'll send him a detailed report tonight that wont spoil everything for anyone reading this thread.

I saw the "controversial" bumpmapped textures Kyka was worried about in this level, and tbh, for most of the level I didnt even really notice them, they blend in really well.

Also, about the textures in that map...was it intentional using the "TnT" lights on the forklift? The n on it sinks into the ground making it look like a sad crying face ie T_T...which actually served to warn me about an ambush >_>

With that old demo available again, I'll have to give that a try! I missed the chance back when it was first released

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TheMionicDonut said:
Considering making a smaller, simpler map (See: Mayhem2012 map04) for map06 if headway isn't shown on the current map06 maker. Will wait for the go-ahead for that though, since people get busy this time of year (And process did say about a month 2 weeks ago, and I dont want to jump any guns)

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Ragnor said:
FEAR NOT KYKA!

I now have time to begin testing your large set of maps. Sorry if youve been waiting for feedback for a while now, there are unpleasant issues at home that stop me putting in a lot of time and concentration into any one thing, and I need that if I'm going to be looking for things that could use improvement or so forth. Just got enough time the other day to play Mionic's map, I gave that one priority due to being a single map (which took half the day to do :p)

Im playing them in GZDoom, with strict Doom compatibility (unless I should be on normal Doom compat), with Doom Expanded loaded (it doesnt change gameplay). Map 1's flesh tunnel looks really awesome with Expanded btw, give it a look :p. Did Map 1 get any edits after I tested it previously? I think the start area switch has stairs to get to it now, but maybe Ive already forgotten if it had those or not before.

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Please re-add the old TNT logo on the room in the final room, where it did this cool trick where it faded away after you moved. Currently it just pops out of existence.. Also, please assign TNT's Last Call music track to this level in the final build, for obvious reasons

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Ragnor said:
I did finish map 1 again, and I noticed it was a lot easier. Expanded actually makes me use the chainsaw a lot more, probably because it now ALWAYS gibs. I never really used it at all before.

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Please re-add the old TNT logo on the room in the final room, where it did this cool trick where it faded away after you moved. Currently it just pops out of existence.. Also, please assign TNT's Last Call music track to this level in the final build, for obvious reasons

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Aside from that, since I need to pistol start/idfa every map due to the ordering, I did a quick IDCLEV through. Here are some observations that may no longer be relevant

Another of the maps I played previously, you forgot to put the spawn point back at the beginning of the level, unless its now confirmed to start you behind a wall of monsters, by the exit, near a massive red key ambush :p

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I see the other barbed wire textures are used on Map 11 now. Xaser will be happy. They do kind of fit in with the level more due to the rock everywhere, but the edges look odd. The bit where the tear in the wire was pretty hard to see before, one of the things I like about that refined wire (which could probably have those green bits darkened a little in places, to look more like the leaves most peaople see them as). I still cant get that backpack, the ledge seems even further away now. The archvile has indeed been uncheesed, no more foot sniping!

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One of the maps had a glaring ugly spot that should be refined, there was a random bloodfall in a pool of water. If this is to be done, please make it reminiscent of Habitat, where the liquids were made to fuse together for a cool looking effect.

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I had fun with your Green Map (which I had entirely forgotten about. I was skipping through a through Hell levels, then suddenly a techbase, thought "wait, a techbase this far?" then noticed EVERYTHING was green. Major "Oh." moment), although I didnt get far. Found a few secrets already too. Also, im still calling it Terminus Veridian in my head :p

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Could you include a text file in future stating which maps are which, to make the level skipping less tedious?

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Which E1 map is that screenshot from?

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lupinx-Kassman said:
I'm sorry I'm taking so long guys, but I will have this done before I start my next semester on the 14th. So here is a lonely shot, as well as another pic of the layout. Everything is a lot more connected now, but there is some more connectivity I want to add as well as some more personal testing before I send it out. I want this map to be a lot more non-linear than my usual fare =P.

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..and the current layout:

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Tango said:
kyka is still a miracle worker. really happy with what you're doing to it bud

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Ragnor said:
...The original intermission theme, Legions of the Lost, is irreplacable to me....

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