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I love brutal doom, I love the gameplay, I love the concept, I love the gibs, I love the blood! brutal doom is just glorious!

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Sergeek said:
Excuse me for this annoying question, maybe it was discussed for dozen of times already, but still I couldn't find any solution and I'm not so proficient in technical side myself, so...
I have some problems with light, more specifically - effects from pickups and some decorations.
It appears that helmets and potions have "broken light clipping" - sprites just block the source of light effect. It's affected by distance and angle, so when getting close to an object, it works fine, but from side-view or distance - broken again.
Almost non-existent in original PWADs, but always present in non-vanilla style IWADs.
Messed with options in GZDoom(latest revision) - nothing helped.



same here, i tried hours to fix this with no luck... and the light from the light post change into yellow, i was expecting it to be bright white like the footage i saw in youtube!!

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Sergeek said:
Excuse me for this annoying question, maybe it was discussed for dozen of times already, but still I couldn't find any solution and I'm not so proficient in technical side myself, so...
I have some problems with light, more specifically - effects from pickups and some decorations.
It appears that helmets and potions have "broken light clipping" - sprites just block the source of light effect. It's affected by distance and angle, so when getting close to an object, it works fine, but from side-view or distance - broken again.
Almost non-existent in original PWADs, but always present in non-vanilla style IWADs.
Messed with options in GZDoom(latest revision) - nothing helped.



Can you post a pic of the game so I can see how this bug looks like?



VylePhinder said:
Is there a mutator that stops the damage taken from point-blank deflection shots from weapons like the bullet-based weapons


The Simple Weapons mutator.



Also, is there any option with brutal doom or at least GZDoom that can help speed the game up, at all (e.g., make the game less taxing on my system)


The Janitor might help.

Download the mutators here
http://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-do...ators-version-2

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Sergeant_Mark_IV said:


Can you post a pic of the game so I can see how this bug looks like?





http://img245.imagevenue.com/loc76/th_161375522_Screenshot_Doom_20130206_223849_122_76lo.jpg http://img45.imagevenue.com/loc366/th_016137764_Screenshot_Doom_20130206_223855_122_366lo.jpg http://img279.imagevenue.com/loc407/th_161380580_Screenshot_Doom_20130206_223911_122_407lo.jpg
http://img218.imagevenue.com/loc961/th_161383292_Screenshot_Doom_20130206_223928_122_961lo.jpg http://img144.imagevenue.com/loc423/th_161386445_Screenshot_Doom_20130206_223930_122_423lo.jpg

the flares on top of the barrel, just hang there...
and now the menu of ultimate doom gone berserk, the skull kept going back to LOAD or NEW GAME, i had a hard time just to get out from the game...

anyway, hope you can fix it, cause you are the only one can! thank you!

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I think the menu problem is actually a GZdoom thing, cause i tried to reinstall the whole thing and try it without the brutal doom, and the problem persist, so I guess is a GZdoom problem, don't know how to solve the problem though, things seem ok with the Zandonum version though, i think i will stick with that for the time being.

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The issue with the flare clipping happens because you have set your sprite billboard to XY. Go to display options, OpenGL options, preferences, and set it to Y.

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On-topic news update:

http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=35440


Zero X. Diamond said:
So hey, Mark, buddy, would you mind telling me what in the name of Christ this is doing at the beginning of the GORE3 lump?

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// Watch how the plasma magic can instantly turn an average white guy into a nigger faster than Rap. // Plasma Deaths.


I don't care that it's just a comment, and I certainly don't care if it's "just a joke." This is racist as fuck, and I don't want my name attached to any project that has the potential to tarnish my name. If I want to try and make some money professionally voice acting, how's it going to look for me if word gets out that this is in there? Whether I approved of it or not, I become "that guy from the racist torture simulator." I will have no part in this and I am delivering you an ultimatum: pull the racist shit, or remove all of my voice acting from the mod and all references to me from any included documentation. My reputation isn't worth being a part of this project.

EDIT: I am stating, for the record, that I had no knowledge of this comment being in the mod until a third party pointed it out and I confirmed its presence myself. I want it to be perfectly clear that I neither knew nor approved of this.



This is a revelation that should honestly surprise absolutely no one at all, but there you go.

For some reason the mods over at ZDoom.org have shoved the discussion into the Off-Topic forum where it'll be automatically deleted after a few weeks and thus swept under the rug, so I figured I'd repost it for posterity.

Page 1 archive: http://essel.spork-chan.net/carp/brutal1.html
Page 2 archive: http://essel.spork-chan.net/carp/brutal2.html

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Great! Now we can chalk up "and it's racist too!" as another reason not to play brutal doom.

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And I am honestly not surprised with you childish attitude to extend the flamewar to this place. Right after I did see your comment on the thread at the Zdoom forums, I imagined this.


Just cross-posting what I said before:


I want to say sorry for anyone who got offended by this joke. Unlike some people were advertising it on said forums, It was never my intention to spread "white supremacy subliminal messages" with it. It was just an internal joke, a bad joke I must admit. Worse than the Real Gore stuff. And yes, I will remove it on the upcoming version 18 that comes out next week.



Now Essel, if you don't have anything better to do in your life than showing how jealous you are about Brutal Doom's success, trying in any means possible to bring it down, I am gently asking you to leave.

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Sergeant_Mark_IV said:
And I am honestly not surprised with you childish attitude to extend the flamewar to this place. Right after I did see your comment on the thread at the Zdoom forums, I imagined this.

Yeah, yeah, I already saw your Insincere Apology 101 in the thread that I linked.


Now Essel, if you don't have anything better to do in your life than showing how jealous you are about Brutal Doom's success, trying in any means possible to bring it down, I am gently asking you to leave.

This is a pretty sad response, all things considered. Why would I be "jealous" of you? You're popular for a torture-porn gore mod, your mapping is mediocre at best, and you're now trying to tell me to get out of a subforum that I moderate because I reposted something you did that you're trying to hide. Speaking of childish.

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Hellstorm Archon said:
EDIT: On the other hand, I request that this part of the thread be split and locked, as to avoid leaking this news to the gaming press, like Zero had mentioned earlier.

Neccronixis said:
The gaming press does not need to be involved in this. That's just ridiculous. Moving on people...
Ah ha ha ha. Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha. And then split, locked, and moved to a place on the forum where it'll be autodeleted in a couple weeks? Pffthahaha.

Nice try.


Sergeant_Mark_IV said:
I want to say sorry for anyone who got offended by this joke.
That's not how apologies work; really brütal attempt, though.

Ooh and speaking of, even though I'm a nobody around here, I am br00tally asking you to leave.

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80% of the comments you make about BD are about stuff that got modified/removed several versions ago, just for the sake of making it look bad. Also, you are trying to start a flamewar in the same sub-forum that you moderate. I think these are valid enough reasons to call you that.

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Sergeant_Mark_IV said:
80% of the comments you make about BD are about stuff that got modified/removed several versions ago, just for the sake of making it look bad. Also, you are trying to start a flamewar in the same sub-forum that you moderate. I think these are valid enough reasons to call you that.

I reposted some relevant news about your mod that's already being discussed elsewhere. It's hardly a crime.

Calling me a jealous child for sharing factual information that you don't want spread around and telling me to get out of the forum, on the other hand, is flamebait. I just responded in kind. :)

Sorry for not keeping up with all 8000 version updates of your wad before posting anything about it. (I can do insincere apologies too.)

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I don't understand how something that doesn't involves directly the progress of the mod and can only cause a flamewar is any kind of "news" after all. Also, why didn't you re-posted the videos about progress that were posted in the Zdoom forums? Oh, I forgot, you didn't. You aren't trying to help this mod. Everything you wanted to in the last 2 years was to see this mod dying, and here you are contributing to this now, right?

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Neutral party chiming in: Sincere or not, it is an apology, and he did say he'd take it out. Not sure what else can be done from here...

I'm not taking sides. I think you're actually one of the level-er heads on this forum, essel. But this issue seems kind of resolved. From my perspective, anyway. :/

Obviously, there's more to this than meets the eye, because you guys are both taking not-so-subtle jabs at each other... But I see a flamewar gearing up here, and after that debacle with LittleTemple"Group" I think we've all seen enough drama for a while.

Hopefully I'm not speaking out of turn here.

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What do you know. More douche-fuck drama.

I think I'll go back to working on projects while shit gets flung around.

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This is a WAD where you can blow people's (demons if you want to get technical, but it doesn't matter he made Brutal Strife which was basically a glorified human slaughterfest) limbs off and watch them bleed to death. I mean look at this image.
http://i.imgur.com/GkMCAzc.jpg

Is anyone really surprised that the guy who made that put some racist crap in his code? (And if Sergeant_Mark_IV didn't make that picture - I amend that statement to "Is anyone really surprised that the guy who uses that picture to promote his WAD on ModDB put some racist crap in his code?")

Edit: and I just checked that stuff is still in there. In fact I can shoot a zombieman with a shotgun and listen to him scream while he slowly dies.

Double Edit:
Again, I'm shocked we didn't find something worse in the code.

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This mini-flame war has a feeling of teen drama. "OH EHM JAY DID TRISHA REALLY SAY THAT?"

Guys. Cmon.

Anyways, it's been awhile since I played Brutal Doom. HD absorbed me in, but I suppose I should give Bdoom some more love. Though I will have to modify some things, like the dropped shotgun ammo count and the various kicks' damage.

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UGH.

This is a stupid scandal. It could have been dealt with in a couple of posts on the ZDoom forums. Why is it such a crime that this mod is tasteless? There have been worse.

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It's not just "tasteless"; dismissing it as such demeans the suffering of all the minorities who are labeled by words like "nigger". This is a scarlet letter that Sergeant Mark IV deserves to carry for the rest of his time in the Doom community as a a mark of what a repugnant human being he is.

There are so many stereotypes and hurtful ideas buried within that "joke" that the very thought of unpacking them all makes my blood pressure rise.

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Woolie Wool said:
This is a scarlet letter that Sergeant Mark IV deserves to carry for the rest of his time in the Doom community as a a mark of what a repugnant human being he is.


Heh.

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I like brutal doom and genuinely want to see more of it but for FUCKS SAKE Mark.

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Woolie Wool said:
This is a scarlet letter that Sergeant Mark IV deserves to carry for the rest of his time in the Doom community as a a mark of what a repugnant human being he is.


He should have had that mark long before this. The best way I've seen this described is "getting angry at a murderer for getting your knife dirty while stabbing a guy". I mean between shit like real gore and how brutal doom has evolved more and more away from a gameplay mod and transformed into a juvenile self-gratifying gore fest, this is just icing on a multi-layered cake.

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He should have had that mark long before this. The best way I've seen this described is "getting angry at a murderer for getting your knife dirty while stabbing a guy". I mean between shit like real gore and how brutal doom has evolved more and more away from a gameplay mod and transformed into a juvenile self-gratifying gore fest, this is just icing on a multi-layered cake.

"Racism is nothing compared to making a doom mod I don't like."

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Yeah, it's sad. But he apologized. What is he supposed to do? Give all his money and assets to the NAACP? Give a damn press conference and cry in front of the TV telling people how sorry he is? Brutal Doom is an awesome mod and I would hate to see it get tarnished by something as stupid as this. And seriously, everybody needs to get off their damn high horse. Everyone who has ever been born has said something or done something that they wouldn't want to be broadcasted to the world. Everyone has skeletons. Knock it off and stop being so damn self righteous.

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Captain Red said:

"Racism is nothing compared to making a doom mod I don't like."



Look at the video I linked. It's gotten to the point where we have enemies crawling away from the fray with their guts poring out while you stand over them and murder them. That doesn't excuse the racism, far from it, I'm just complaining that after all this building crap this is now what we're willing to go "I like Brutal Doom, but this is a bit much".

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Look at the video I linked. It's gotten to the point where we have enemies crawling away from the fray with their guts poring out while you stand over them and murder them. That doesn't excuse the racism, far from it, I'm just complaining that after all this building crap this is now what we're willing to go "I like Brutal Doom, but this is a bit much".

Certainly I can't be the only one who finds the fatalities fun and humorous. Let's face it, Doom is cartoon-y, and this is pretty mild by modern gaming standards (see Gears of War's chainsaw/curbstomp fatalities, or anything torturesque from the CODs). Some of the posts above mine sound ripped straight from the indignant headlines of the American FOX news.

I don't think there's anything especially morally repugnant in Brutal Doom's gameplay. Certainly nothing illegal is going on here.

If we're going to talk about moral decay, at least bring up something serious - like regenerating health! Now that's offensive!

P.S. but seriously, the racist comment was out of line, and I'm glad it's gone. But it is gone, and an apology has been delivered. If you want to boycott the mod because of that, you're free to, but something tells me the people railing against Mark aren't the kind of people that play his mod in the first place.
P.P.S. with one exception it seems the only people expressing disgust for BD's content are those that don't enjoy its take on gameplay... Can't be a coincidence.

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Look at the video I linked. It's gotten to the point where we have enemies crawling away from the fray with their guts poring out while you stand over them and murder them. That doesn't excuse the racism, far from it, I'm just complaining that after all this building crap this is now what we're willing to go "I like Brutal Doom, but this is a bit much".

That's all pretty much inline with the whole Rise of the triad/Duke Nukem 3d/silly 90's games feeling the mod is going for. If that's not your bag then fine. It's not the fucking same as casual racism. (OK that 'real gore' shit tasteless as fuck)

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See those games felt more tongue and cheek to me. Brutal Doom has just gotten to the point where it's too saturated. Like for example the new fatalities for v18. The one where you ram the shotgunner's shotgun into his chest and blow off half his torso, that's ridiculous and goofy (It's like something you'd expect to see in Robocop), but grabbing the zombieman, shoving him into the ground and then crushing his skull in with your rifle is where I think it crosses the line. That coupled with shit like "Real Gore" makes it come off as shit like Manhunter where it doesn't matter that the enemies are so cartoonish because it seems to exist just to kill them as brutally as possible instead of adding a flavor to a fun and over the top experience. (I think the addition of duke-eqsue dialogue does help mitigate this factor though since it restores some of the goofy.) And I don't even hate Brutal Doom, I like some things from it, I think the rifle is a great pistol replacement and the bullet weapons are really fun to use.

@People saying he apologized. No he didn't. He said he was sorry to anyone who got offended by the joke. That's not an apology, that's as insincere as it gets. An apology would be admitting that it was offensive and tasteless not saying he's sorry WE got offended by it.

Edit also: This isn't "casual" racism, this is actual racism.

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