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killer2 said:
Anyway,I hope the maps will be interesting enough even without using ZDoom,though the puzzlemap (the one with no monsters) would be much more interesting with crouching,jumping,freelook,new textures and interesting background noises.

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Fisk said:


http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=30772

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40oz said:
If we're switching to ZDoom, then it's like I'm being punished for brainstorming.

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40oz said:
Also I don't get... why anyone thinks Doom 2 textures suck.

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killer2 said:

I've already seen that.Keep in mind though that the maps aren't based on phobias or such,they're simple maps.So what I said still stands.

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What if it was a Boom project full of voodoo doll scripting and stuff and I'd made the same point - would you still say the same thing?

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esselfortium said:
Sim...ple..?

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esselfortium said:
Sim...ple..?

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jute said:


Whether or not it is the port or aesthetic experience you look for when playing Doom, you must realize how silly it is to claim that any port "punishes" creativity. Lack of creativity is not port-specific, and just because a port makes a new method available does not make other methods non-functional. The ability to print "YOU FOUGHT AN AWESOME BATTLE" on the screen using ACS does not relieve a mapper of the obligation to actually include compelling monster and item placement in their work.

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Phml said:

It's great that you're open minded about using all ports. That doesn't make the opinions of people who have different preferences any less relevant.

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Processingcontrol said:
If zdoom features were allowed:

-Ports not compatible with zdoom couldn't be used.

-Levels made for vanilla doom could be breakable with jumping, crouching, finitely tall actors, different stair building, different invisibility spheres, etc.

-Levels made for vanilla doom would contrast with zdoom levels.

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Phobus said:
As awful a thing as it is to say, I'd be tempted to say that 40oz's POV is actually almost irrelevant because he's just too closed-minded to be worth listening to. That argument he put up on the previous page about ZDoom somehow stopping him doing what he wants is completely retarded, for one thing.

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Point 2 can largely be mitigated by MAPINFO and people's personal preferences. You know full well a lot of people use more advanced ports when playing, so they'll still get most of those things anyway.

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Processingcontrol said:


I completely agree with what 40oz said and I think your misinterpreting it. If he does his map in vanilla doom, he has to be creative, innovative, and challenge himself to fit the concept into vanilla constraints. However, if someone plays it assuming that it uses zdoom features, they'll think that method used to stimulate fall damage is primitive when fall damage can just be used.

You know that room in Requiem MAP31 with the big hole in the floor you fall through? That's the coolest thing I've ever seen done in vanilla doom, and I'm sure most of the other people who've played that map were at least impressed. However, if the same map was put in megawad with mostly zdoom levels, most people would just assume it uses the transfer heights effect and ignore it.

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Processingcontrol said:

But wouldn't it be annoying if your allowed to jump/crouch/freelook in one map but not the next? What if the first level prohibits jumping, but the next one requires it? You could get stuck because you think jumping is still disabled.

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Processingcontrol said:

You know that room in Requiem MAP31 with the big hole in the floor you fall through? That's the coolest thing I've ever seen done in vanilla doom, and I'm sure most of the other people who've played that map were at least impressed. However, if the same map was put in megawad with mostly zdoom levels, most people would just assume it uses the transfer heights effect and ignore it.

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killer2 said:

Ok,simple was badly worded. I mean that they're not changing the basic DooM gameplay in any way,unlike this.

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Fisk said:


Yeah? You make your maps in whatever port you want; I'll make something about kenophobia that's vanilla/limit-removing and we'll see if my map can compare. :)

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Fisk said:


Yeah? You make your maps in whatever port you want; I'll make something about kenophobia that's vanilla/limit-removing and we'll see if my map can compare. :)

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killer2 said:


I am not good at mapping,I was just making this argument because someone else may want to use ZDoom features.

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killer2 said:
I want to beta test this!ZDoom wads ftw.So sign me up too!

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killer2 said:

Yeah!Make an interesting WAD specifically for an engine nobody plays on!
On a serious note,I bet GZDoom is way better than your Eternity engine.

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Vermil said:

Cough!
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/showthr...230#post1009230
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/showthr...323#post1009323
And those two posts were only made last week.

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Vermil said:
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4fU0Ajo4RM&[\yt]

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phobosdeimos1 said:
Hey Bloody, what's the deal with progress screens; want us to post some up or is this being kept under wraps?

EDIT: The reason I ask is that we don't know how much detailing vs how classic our fellow mappers are working towards, it would be cool to see a few example pics

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