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Once upon a time, a 12-year old boy decided to use fantasy and "create" his own Doom maps. However, his abilities were quite limited in that time (March-June, 2005), therefore he grabbed a checked spiral-bound notebook and drew no less than 36 "level plans" during the last three moths of his fifth grade in elementary school. However, he wasn't aware of Ultimate Doom existing, as he only had Registered Doom with its 27 maps in; he entitled all his levels by cut-and-scissored-together fantasy names ("Bistrotown", "Toxin Bingo", "Enemy Erebus", etc.) and tagged them from E4M1 to E7M9.

Four years passed by when he once more come across this exercise book. It was actually on purpose, since he had just downloaded CodeImp's genius invention and wanted to try it out. Started from E4M1, which he finished quite fast. But then, he did the biggest stupidity ever, since he wasn't aware of ports either, and modified Ultimate Doom (included in a recently bought Doom95), which ended up in the deletion of the original E4M1
instead which he have recently mapped Ascent from Hades. But his enthusiasm hadn't dropped and soon, he finished another 3 maps plus started the fifth as well, when actually the summer vacation ended with dreadful consequences: he started mapping for Duke Nukem 3D instead!!

Nah, enough of the parables! Here I go again with Doomep47. It wouldn't sound unfamiliar for the ones who watch the "Post your Doom picture!" thread regularly that I've just finished E3M7: Forsaken Resort of the aforementioned "megawad", which was on the slot "E6M7" in the exercise book and had the really fantasiful name "Dead Rumble".

Since I've gotten to deal with this project again since I've abandoned it in September 2009, I've opened this thread for it. Just to keep you updated whether you're interested in.

Two of the annoying features of these maps are that they're able to be fit into a rectangle (you know, an A4 sheet of paper does have its limits) and they rarely contain linedefs other than orthogonal and diagonal ones. Plus, there are some inexplicable shapes which are rather disturbing in all senses.

The style of it is kind of classical. I don't overwhelm details or force aesthetism on these maps like I did in many of my projects. These maps are naturally "post-classic", which means that - apart from not having those "organic varying beautiful shapes" in all senses of polygons - it could even make part of the original Doom mapset if I wasn't only 1 year old when it was released.

Current status:
E3M7: done
E4M1: waiting for renoval
E4M2: ^
E4M3: ^^
E4M4: ^^^
E4M5: suspended

Before the renoval of the "waiting-for it maps", I'm gonna map E1M7, which is originally on the slot "E6M2", with the so-given name "Undertown". It's actually my "cussed" self-enterprisation: make a city out of only Doom E1 resources! We'll see how it succeeds.

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Progress made up in the recent 5 months:

- E4M1 was moved to the slot E2M2 and fully renovated
- E4M2 was moved to the slot E4M9 and fully renovated
- E4M3 was moved to the slot E2M5; almost fully renovated, but was added a quite obscure exit to the secret level which I hadn't done completely yet.
- E4M4 was moved to the slot E2M6 and is waiting for renoval
- E4M5 was moved to the slot E2M7 and is waiting for being completely built
- E6M2 E1M7 is almost built
- E6M7 E3M7 was moved to the slot E4M7 due to being critically hard for any E3 slots and is done.

If you want screens of E1M7, E2M2, E2M5 or E4M9, post me feedback.

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I liked the move of E4M3 to E2M5, but E4M4 to E2M6? Really? Why did you think it was a good idea?

Hope mah fedback was good enough and I'll get some screen0rz!

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Memfis said:
(...) but E4M4 to E2M6? Really? Why did you think it was a good idea?


E4M4 was an overexaggerated and rather ugly attempt of mine, that's why I'm thinking of removing all those stupid light secrets, including the BFG and the backdoor darkness as well.

E4M3's move to E2M5 has a spiritual inner sense of mine in. If you remember that beta, nasty E4M3 (in whose central was a room resembling the mask of Darth Vader), you could recognize many common features with E2M4. My opinion back then when I was playing Doom E2 was precisely that E2M4 would better have deserved to have the secret exit rather than E2M5. So that's why I decided to make a creepy E2M5 and all those stuff leading to the secret exit.

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Lol, I was just joking since you asked for feedback but didn't post anything that people could comment on. So there is a beta? Where I can find it?

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Well, once I've posted it in here, but fucking MediaFire deleted it for no reason.

Actually, I'm bound to finish E1M7 first and then post a link.

Also, I do have a screen of E1M7, but those of E4M7 were also removed by fucking Mediafire.

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So, you asked for it and here it is, Doomep47.wad!
Ready maps: E2M2, E2M5, E4M7, E4M9.
Progressing maps: E1M7 (still lacking monsters and barrels), E2M6 (the same as before), E2M7 (detto), E2M9 (a map which had already been started; we'll see how you'll make it for from E2M5!).

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Doomep47's second release, fixed some minor issues and finished E1M7.

Next, I'm going to renovate E2M6, build E2M7 and finish E2M9.

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Can you make some screenshot for eyecandy?

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Course I can.

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Just tried E1M7, E2M2, E2M5 and E4M9. E1M7 was great, with a nice outdoor area. The rest I thought was very cramped and mazey, with confusing level progression (especially in E2M5 and E4M9, these maps really annoyed me, I wanted to exit as soon as possible). I think you should make more outdoor areas or simply big areas. E2M5 sits in my memory as one huge maze, without any highlights (memorable, unique areas). This is not good.

Demos of my playthrough.

EDIT: Another problem with this wad is that most maps feel to me like a bunch of random rooms connected by doors and teleporters rather than... uh, a coherent system? (not sure how to explain...) This is why you need large areas: they serve as some sort of central space that the rest of the map revolves around. They make the whole thing feel less random. Windows and other connections between areas also help a lot. Doors, on the other hand, can easily break the flow when there is too many of them.
Hope this helps somehow.

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You know, the aim of these maps is not actually to be "perfect". According to your demos, they were at least playable (I remember purist saying that my present maps have annoying no-space fights), and I would also emphasise that these maps were created when I was only 12, so you now have the chance to travel back in time and tell me.

I was still willing to make the best out of these attempts - see those windows and open ceilings in E2M5 and E4M9 - but the rest of them is ought to be so claustrophobic, because these are (were) intended to be forts. They being so random... that... see the end of the previous paragraph.

So, if you still have contras, try to imagine this as "Loki1999 realised in a more bearable manner".

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I found all the maps perfectly playable and enjoyably so. Top marks must go however to E1M7, that's a cut above the others, with an ingenious and original layout, challenging enemy placement and interesting secrets. If you could make a whole megawad with maps of that standard you'd have a classic in the making.

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Thanks, aldiboronti! I've seriously thought, however, that E1M7 is going to be a con because of those Barons, especially the one which appears on the hardest difficulty only. The before-planned "storyline" is actually even more anticipating than 2002ADO: 1 Baron on Hard in E1M5, 1 on Medium and 2 on Hard in E1M6, 1 on Easy, 2 on Medium and 3 on Hard in E1M7, 2 on Easy, 3 on Medium and 5 on Hard in E1M8.

I guess it's time I've named the freshly renovated maps.
E1M7: Electri City
E2M2: Ignition Facility
E2M5: Tortural Chambers
E4M7: Forsaken Resort
E4M9: Disguised Erebus Fort

Also, Memfis, I guess E2M2 and E2M5 must have annoyed you (and also tons of people who have played this wad) because of them being so linear. I see your point, but we'll see how an early adolescent's "map design" turns out to be corrigated by his 20-year old self.

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Some further progress was made in the recent days.

- Almost finished E1M1: "Initial Instalment Impact". This map seems to be cool, but if homages for the original "Hangar" are seriously disliked, it is rather a con.
- E2M3: "Radiation Realm" is in a near-finished state, but either it is too huge, or I am too lazy to fill it in with items. I'm no good example for mappers!
- E2M4: "Abyss of Corpses" is about 40-50% done. Sadly, once a system refresh deleted all my latest changes and I felt too down in the dumps to recorrect it. Anyways, it goes on slowly, yet confidently.
- E2M7: "Covert Fort", sadly, hasn't changed since September 2009. I seriously don't know why I refrain from doing this map like a haunt.
- E2M9: "Aquaduct System" now does have its plans well done in mind! I was seriously thinking of what it should've been in July 2009 that I dreamt of, and now I know that it can be done, that makes me so enthusiastic.
- E3M5: "Chapel of Confession"'s development was cut short due to a strong nervous breakdown caused by a sudden crash of my laptop. The containment wasn't harmed like E2M4's, but it was way too annoying even so.
- The rest of the levels are now (and then) being updated according to some remarks that renders them unplayable or unenjoyable.

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Is it still lives? Nice! :D

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E1M1 is finished!

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/ff5f/dtk2kucqxubaculfg.jpg
Starting room.
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/e8f0/g9ad99v54utqz70fg.jpg
This is a bit homage-y.
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2da9/b4j35lz9qg2uzbgfg.jpg
A control room in a strange style
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/735b/k5a4utllblp9t6ffg.jpg
It's the room which halted the map development for 9 months. Seriously, I didn't have any ideas how to get it started.
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f8fc/1r27io0g6s03971fg.jpg
Yet another Hangar homage. Kept different from the origs, however.
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/a84f/cz4ldhj3ssukx6jfg.jpg
Exit room.

Despite the obvious homages, this level still plays different from Hangar. Linearity breaks up by having the exit door locked by a distant switch (seen on the left side of shot #4). There are resemblances and differences which make the level static and dynamic at the same time.

Started E1M2, basing strongly (at least the first room does) on my very-first attempt for making a Doom level back in June 2009. E1M6 will be similarly basing on the second attempt of mine.

Doomep47 ain't dead!

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Lovely shots, please tell me this is vanilla (or at least, limit-removing). Please. :)

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Jayextee said:
Lovely shots, please tell me this is vanilla (or at least, limit-removing). Please. :)

Intended to be vanilla, but there are several levels (E2M4, E2M9, E4M5, E4M7) which have looks that may cause visplane overflows.

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Perfect use of homages! You amazed me!

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Katamori said:
Perfect use of homages! You amazed me!

Thanks man! :)
For more of the screens:
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6920/4saw7d1it774znpfg.jpg
This is the starting view of E1M2. The starting room, which bases on my very-first attempt for mapping, is quite minimalist, doesn't really bring any E1 memories back and is an interlock as will be revealed when the map is finally done and playable.
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/a3f3/pyaefp68klig2kpfg.jpg
From another perspective. The switch (actually opening the door right in front of starting view) is able to deceive first-players because of the stupid light's sign above. Yeah, the light, the exit door straight in the first room (can only be opened remotedly just like the one in E1M1) and having tan textures all over were the characteristics of my very-first room in mapping. There the spot STARTAN3 is an ambush, basing on my very-first secret room-making attempt, which contained STARBR2 (here, in E1, not available texture, so I won't use it, better try some COMPUTE3 instead). The only innovation seen now is the PLANET1 panel with the lights and shotgun. Of course, will decorate better!

The Doomep47 concept is partially given up since a longer period of time, given that 1) integrating 3 more episodes in would be almost impossible in vanilla limits 2) over 27 levels contain teleporters, rendering a proper E1 completely impossible to make. So, there will be some changes in plans:
- E1M2 and E1M6 are being / will be made basing on my first and second mapping attempts (I clearly remember both, no problem).
- E1M3 and E1M5 will be, E2M4, E2M9 and partially E2M3 are already (being) made from scratch, with minor (major for E1M1 and E2M3) homages to their originals and others, but, of course, playing completely differently. E2M4 and E1M5 base on imagination, while E2M9 does on a dream I had in July 2009.
- The rest of the maps will have been made after sketches, with only minor changes allowed (one proved the map E4M7 succeeded better than its previous plan). The ready (but still in need of some polishing up) maps are namely E1M7, E2M2, E2M5, E2M6, E4M7 and E4M9, while E3M5 is getting on slowly and E2M7 needs a complete update.

That was a parable!

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I couldn't get escalated with E1M2 very well, I got into a serious complication with some light corridors. Anyways, I grabbed the maps which were given a harsh criticism beforehead and made them look and - probably - play better. Special attention to E2M2, E2M5 and E2M9, though I modified E1M7, E2M3 and E4M7 as well a bit (minor bugs and other issues were still present in the last-before-latest version of Doomep47). So, here it is, the next step to the perfection:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/z...g8/Doomep47.wad

, but still needs about a thousand more.
This time, if anyone downloads and plays, I'd like to hear (read) some more criticism as feedback.
- The opinion over whether E2M2, E2M5 and E4M9 were changed for their advantage or disadvantage;
- Still waiting for an "outsider's" opinion about E4M7;
- Tell me about E1M1, whether it is excessively homagey or not.
- Waiting for an opinion about the non-finished maps as well...
. E2M3 - how the monsterless level looks, whether it is too homagey, is one or more of the traps unsurvivable/undodgeable, etc.
. E1M2 - whether it is homagey as well, or exceedingly overdone related to how a second level should play.
. E2M4, E2M9, E3M5, E4M5 - what has been done so far.
- Don't watch E2M6, neither E2M7. The E2M6 level's concept (drawn beforeheadly "E4M4" with a really stupid name) is so miserable that it needs a serious doing-over, particularly because it is even flatter than the original E2M3. E2M7 is just as thrown-away as it is since September 2009. I'm seriously starting to think that I'll never be doing any positive progress with this quite poorly set-up level (though same would go for E2M3, E2M4, E2M9 and E3M5 as well...).

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http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/c187/vlhbdrwwokfh6b3fg.jpg

Here's a picture of the only detailed-enough room from the upcoming map E6M1.

Spoiler:
Since I decided to also map from scratch to this WAD, there'll be no doubt I'm going to actually have 6 or 7 episodes in total, and that's even more outrageous than I've planned before. Keep an eye out, Doomep47 still ain't dead despite the fact that I'm progressing like lightning - strike here, strike there...

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