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Perro Seco
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http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zb8wwpwyucy23ii

The map works better with GZDoom, but even so it causes lots of problems because it is too large. You can play it without using cheats, but only if you are skillful and patient and you have a powerfull computer.

Some images (the map and the text file are in Spanish, because I couldn't translate them):

http://i47.tinypic.com/2h33asn.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/15xpgtg.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/zq3bk.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/357h8ib.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/2e3s8wo.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/md36ko.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2en2q77.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/2i8hopl.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/yf49f.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/97ihrl.jpg


Finally I leave another map that I made before this one, which works fine and in any source-port.

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You do realize a fundamental flaw to your cityscape.. right? Otherwise, looks damn impressive.

EDIT: you start in NJ, right? Hoboken or something?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6wUqKwQvBpw/UHAvNAlumAI/AAAAAAAACgo/J7J8xKtgVlo/s480/Screen+shot+2012-10-06+at+9.14.02+AM.png

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This looks really impressive.

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Looks really cool, too bad it's unplayable for me :(

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Holy shit.... That is all i have to say...

This looks really, really cool dude. Later on ill try to play through this, when i have time.

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Does it use any (G)Zdoom features? If it doesn't, could you make it Prboom-plus compatible? I noticed that prboom handles large levels much better, at least on my system.

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*head explodes when I saw the pictures*

I'm very interested in city levels, and I think I found Heaven...

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Pretty Cool, just don't get shot by a gang in Newark.

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Heh, wow. That is impressive!

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Thats really awesome. How long did that take? and how accurate is it to actual New York?

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Where is the music from?

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Holy shit that's awesome, wish my computer could run GZDoom..

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Mother of god. That is just amazing. Must have taken ages. Will definitely give this a spin.

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Looks sweet!

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haha
"looks interesting"
*loads game*
"seems to work ok"
*goes outside*
"still working fine.."
*turns arou
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think i better give this one a miss

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Well, I tried this out but there are a couple of things as impressive as the city is you surely failed to realize that scale of your map results in areas with poor collision for example.

You can walk right through this like you have no clipping on.

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/1920/screenshotdoom201210061.png

Other areas you can go inside a wall.

http://imageshack.us/a/img20/1920/screenshotdoom201210061.png

So I think overall for me anyways you've managed to complete an amazing looking layout but in the process ruined the game play and to top it off all the sectors are light level 160 and with that I think to myself "great another mono-luminous map".

Layout : 5/5
Fundamental Design : 1/5
Textures : 1/5
Lighting : 1/5
Game play : 2/5

Overall : 2/5

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Finally completed this with final time of 2h44m, deaths not included.

I didn't find any of the glitches Pottus reported so perhaps he used an outdated version of Zdoom? The one on the first picture might be a GL problem too as I played this on the regular Zdoom. Lighting isn't 160 quite everywhere either, though a bit more lighting effects wouldn't hurt.

I have a fairly new and powerful computer, but the framerate did suffer terribly when looking in a direction where most of the sectors are, which lead to annoying gameplay as most of the time I had to run around the monsters trying to kill them from an angle where I could actually hit them. Anyway, not a fault of the map. Perphaps in a few years this will be more playable.

The texturing could do some work. If you want to use Doom2 textures only, it's ok, but at least remove the wolfenstein doors as they are ugly and look out of place. Doortracks should be lower unpegged as well.

Monster placement is fairly boring with monsters sprinkled around here and there. It's ok though as higly orchestrated fights would make the map just even more unplayable with the framerate problems and all. And I did like the sniping cybers idea. Nazis as enemies didn't work for me either.

Level progression can be quite confusing sometimes, which is understandable given the size of the map, but sometimes it's needlessly gimicky as well. For example, I got stuck for quite a while after killing the cybers and then found out the jumping to teleporters route by accident. It's silly that you can't see the teleporters and the only way to find them is to look for teleporter lines in the automap. Especially the final teleporter that takes you to the subway area is baffling as I don't think there was a visible teleporter at all.

Overall this is quite an impressive achievement but needs some more work imo. Nice job!

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You can see here I've drawn a circle representing the area in which a map should exist and would not have problems with the nodebuilder then placed it over top this map.

http://imageshack.us/a/img716/8683/boundsp.png

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DooMer 4ever said:
I didn't find any of the glitches Pottus reported so perhaps he used an outdated version of Zdoom?

That's possible; the BLOCKMAP overflow glitches were fixed relatively recently (with help from Maes and entryway; since it had been fixed previously in Mocha Doom and PrBoom+). If you don't have ZDoom 2.6.0+, you'll encounter problems.

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I wasn't using ZDoom, but I'll give it a shot in the latest version.

Futher testing

ZDoom the collision problems seemed fixed however the FPS lag is horrendous in this port and also introduced a complete new problem.

http://imageshack.us/a/img839/1920/screenshotdoom201210061.png

PRBoom+ will not play this map

http://imageshack.us/a/img6/2900/prboomerror.png

Risen3D: Won't even begin to load
Zandronum: Same problems as GZDoom but more FPS lag

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Memfis said:
Does it use any (G)Zdoom features? If it doesn't, could you make it Prboom-plus compatible? I noticed that prboom handles large levels much better, at least on my system.


The nodes just need to be built. This wad does not contain nodes,ssectors or segs lumps. Build them and glboom+ will at least fire up the wad.

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What a monstrosity! 5/5 for epicness, 0/5 on playability, and it didn't even lag much on my system. Load it with -nomonsters, turn on Fly and just look at it... it's beautifully crazy.

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Yea, I noticed that my hitscan shots were passing through many of the monsters on the outskirts of the map because of the massive surface area it takes up. So it makes it borderline unplayable (plus the lag is pretty amazing). But personally I think this sort of map is more fun just walking around and taking in the awesome architecture and scale.

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hawkwind said:


The nodes just need to be built. This wad does not contain nodes,ssectors or segs lumps. Build them and glboom+ will at least fire up the wad.



There is a problem with that the map is too large to build nodes!

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Pottus said:


There is a problem with that the map is too large to build nodes!



No it isn't. Do this ...

1. Load plaisf2.wad in DB2. Change the nodesbuilder to DeepBSP.
2. Draw a small line anywhere on the map.

3. Save to build nodes.

4. When nodes are built delete the line just made.

3. Repeat step 3.

When complete fire up the wad in glboom+. It works.

I can provide a screenshot if required.

You can also download this test map from DeepSea ...

http://www.sbsoftware.com/files/Vrack2BIGGESTever.zip

This wad runs in GLBoom+, and even with the nodes built for planisf2.wad, planisf2.wad is still smaller.

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The size of the map is sheer awesome. I do feel it could use a complete overhal of detailing and lighting as mentioned previously. Perhaps a group of mappers could help to work on various sections at a time?

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Yup your right Hawkwind that does seem to work and really did make big difference FPS wise playing GLBoom+. There is some collision problems still some monsters won't take damage if you shoot them point blank on occasion, no bullet puffs on some walls and some walls you can can run over top of some 32px high walls overall it's the best result.

BloodSkull: Detailing wise good textures would make a big difference.

Good Layout + Good Textures = Detail

The need for more linedefs would probably not be the focus in this case couple good textures with with good lighting and of course a complete game play re-work we would have by far the best city map.

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NEEDS MORE DETAIL... 0_o

No seriously, I really enjoyed this. Framerate was sometimes not great, but mostly ok. A beautiful, impressive piece of work.

The only real suggestion I would make is to scatter a little more health around.

And as Bloodskull mentioned, a texture overhaul would add to the map, and allow a lot of linedefs to be removed.

Awesome stuff tho.

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Pottus said:
There is some collision problems still some monsters won't take damage if you shoot them point blank on occasion, no bullet puffs on some walls and some walls you can can run over top of some 32px high walls


Are you using prboom+ 2.5.1.4test ? Under "compatiblity with common mapping errors" there's the option "fix clipping problems in large levels". Try that.

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I'll give that a shot Hawkwind, it'll will be good to confirm all the settings so the author can go back and polish this properly.

Yes I am using that version.

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