Gez
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aldiboronti said:
Odd, isn't it? Show as many tortured men as you like and it's never degrading to men. But show a woman and it's instantly degrading to women. Can't you see that you're perpetuating a Victorian stereotype when women were thought of as delicate flowers to be protected by the men? If you want to find torture degrading then fine, but talk of it as being degrading to humans. The gender has nothing to do with it.
Try reading again.
Gez said:
But it is gore and violence. Doom scenery is frequently full of tortured people (what with Hell and stuff); but they're generally in a rather low resolution.
Here, apparently because that gore and violence is directed towards women, it gets both sexualized and put at an extra-super-ultra-high res so we get to ogle every little detail.
(Also, there's a total of four such sprites, though one is only a head.)
... And I don't want this point to overshadow the rest of the problems I had with that map.
Put a 256x500 animated sprite of a photorealistic tortured man showing his naked sex; that'd be just the same thing.
The gore in Doom is, what, about 41x84 pixels at most (GOR1: 30x68; GOR2: 41x84, GOR3: 39x79, GOR4: 18x67, GOR5: 14x53). And the victims are still clothed; but even if they were naked, the low resolution would blur nudity out. They aren't in a sexualized pose either.
If these had been at the same resolution used by absolute everything else in the game and the mod, it would have been a lot less of an issue. But instead; it's been given a deluxe treatment so that none of the fine details are lost. Why?
And that is when the "they are girls" come from. There's some gore taken from Doom II (but it's already for Doom II, so why duplicate the sprites, I don't know) and Hexen, too. But with resolutions like 50x15; it's kinda self-censored. You can't even tell whether they're men or women; since they're just shriveled mummies or flayed husks.
And they look cartoony anyway. Let me digress a bit. When Sergent Mark IV wanted to add photorealistic gore to Brutal Doom (with pics of brains and organs and wounded bodies taken from actual pictures of real people who met grizzly ends); it brought in a little controversy too. The victims weren't even women.
Anyway, back to the issue at hand. You can't play the hypocrite card by saying accepting cartoony drawings of gore in 2 000 pixels or less means we should accept photorealistic renders* of sexualized gore in over 100 000 pixels. There's a few orders of magnitude between both graphics; an important difference of style, and an even more important difference of perceived intent.
(*Looks like Poser models.)
Maybe talking about pictures isn't an efficient way of doing things. Let us compare gory depiction of men vs. gory depictions of women:
http://i.imgur.com/DtCMk.png
Yeah, "the gender has nothing to do with it" indeed.
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