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Hello!
I would like to offer your attention to the "Inquisitor" wad, created within a sixth "freakmap" competition, which was held on July, 16, - August, 20, 2012.

(The idea of competition was that the map, created by the random map generator, is being improved and modified by each participant of competition under the port chosen by participant himself. Surprises and unusual decisions were welcomed as well. Thus the participant can map game zones only within a rectangle outlined around of an initial map. Behind its limits, it was allowed to do decorative landscapes and technical sectors. Also all initial map's vertexes should have been invariable.)

It is recommended to read the manual before playing (original Russian version + English translation), as it contains information about wad's background, arsenal, bestiary & artifacts. Also, wad's gameplay is different, comparing to typically Doom's gameplay, therefore playing it first time might be hard - so it's necessary to get used to new monsters & weapons.

Nevertheless, hope that you'll like this wad. Have a great game!

Screenshots:
http://s8.postimage.org/me311v7dt/inq01.jpg
http://s9.postimage.org/6km4lr4e3/inq02.jpg
http://s11.postimage.org/sgtt9xpa7/inq03.jpg
http://s10.postimage.org/8vvj1lb1x/inq04.jpg
http://s7.postimage.org/fabl3bfaf/inq05.jpg
http://s10.postimage.org/q2s4dcx85/inq06.jpg

A temporal link (old version, rate: 18+ only):
http://narod.ru/disk/62141131001.1a...inqstr.zip.html
New version of the wad has been put in 'incoming'.

Last edited by Shadowman on 10-09-12 at 11:24

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http://files.drdteam.org/index.php/...QUIP/inqstr.zip

Not so scary link. Going to try this soon.

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Seeing the textures, the candelabras, the weapon (Quietus), the enemies (golem), I kinda regret that this is for Doom II instead of Heretic or Hexen.

Now that I've played it a bit... Sorry, I didn't like it. Here's my main beef with it:

  • PDF readme? I hate Acrobat. Unread.
  • The detail detracts from the gameplay. Sure, the map is pretty; but it is unnavigable. Especially at the beginning, with all the bumpy floor detail and -- the worst -- sloped grave pits. It makes it hard to move around, and especially hard to jump out of them.
  • Enemies are too dangerous. Even the basic first melee zombie we meet is deceptively threatening, as it inflicts damage when it's raising its axe instead of when it's striking with it. Hexen's afrits have become rape machines when you're out of ammo.
  • I didn't find the lich staff. Jumping into the alchemy furnace was a bit annoying, but afterwards I didn't see what I could do. Everywhere I could go had already been visited.
  • The new sounds are kinda screechy.
  • Why is the tortured girl gore decoration so ridiculously high-res? Plus, in lingerie or naked and spreading legs? Makes it look like snuff porn instead of scenery.
  • I found two allies once I got the silver key. They have been completely useless.

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Nice rain effects!

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I would love to play it,but I can't read russian.Can you please upload to mediafire or something?Thanyou!
Oops!I goofed.It showed the download in russian first,bu now have it from thedrd team.

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Translate it via an online machine.

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This should be labelled as a porn WAD Gez because of that sprite as a matter of fact I don't think this WAD is appropriate for the community here since I know a lot of members are under the age to view such material and the author has given absolutely no indication in his post that this WAD is intended for 18+. I would recommend deleting this thread or at least removing the download links and sending it to post hell but that is not for me to decide however I'm sure the forum mods will probably agree with what I'm saying because in my view efforts should be made to protect people less than 18 from such material. Maybe they allow that kind of stuff in Russia but it has no place here.

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Of course it shouldn't be deleted (Doomworld is full of wads with much more nudity) but Shadowman could add a warning I guess. Also you know this world is fucked up when people are concerned about a single sprite with boobies and not gore/violence that is all over the place.

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blowin' up zombies with rocket launchers = yes

exposed human body = no


well unless it's just the insides.

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Memfis said:
Of course it shouldn't be deleted (Doomworld is full of wads with much more nudity) but Shadowman could add a warning I guess. Also you know this world is fucked up when people are concerned about a single sprite with boobies and not gore/violence that is all over the place.


Well, the nature of depiction is pretty extreme in my opinion Memfis it crosses the line in my books no doubt the main reason is the depiction of rape/torture I'm 31 and I still find that rather offensive and especially degrading towards women.

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Memfis said:
Also you know this world is fucked up when people are concerned about a single sprite with boobies and not gore/violence that is all over the place.

But it is gore and violence. Doom scenery is frequently full of tortured people (what with Hell and stuff); but they're generally in a rather low resolution.

Here, apparently because that gore and violence is directed towards women, it gets both sexualized and put at an extra-super-ultra-high res so we get to ogle every little detail.

(Also, there's a total of four such sprites, though one is only a head.)


... And I don't want this point to overshadow the rest of the problems I had with that map.

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==========================
Gez said:
"I didn't find the lich staff. Jumping into the alchemy furnace was a bit annoying, but afterwards I didn't see what I could do. Everywhere I could go had already been visited."
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The lich staff is placed in the Alchemy:
http://postimage.org/image/e49npnp9j/

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I've tried to play this, but the first area is lagging like crazy on my 2600k and 2x Radeon 6950s on 640x480 resolution so I cheated around. Stuff like the brick path merging with the dirt should be done through textures so there isn't 1000000 segs just for that minor detail (not to mention it will look better as it's rather clean as is and would be less bumpy to move on).

I agree with Gez when asking why this is for Doom. It uses a ton of heretic/hexen resources and rather little of Doom's, so why not one of those titles?

The female corpses are laughably out of place being hi-res compared to the surroundings and, well, not looking like the result of a witch-hunt or what have you.

Ok just go read Gez's post again

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Khorus said:
I've tried to play this, but the first area is lagging like crazy on my 2600k and 2x Radeon 6950s on 640x480 resolution so I cheated around.

Have you tried turning off the rain and other effects? There are hotkeys for that (look in "customize controls").
Also the contest was Doom-only IIRC.

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Pottus said:


Well, the nature of depiction is pretty extreme in my opinion Memfis it crosses the line in my books no doubt the main reason is the depiction of rape/torture I'm 31 and I still find that rather offensive and especially degrading towards women.



Odd, isn't it? Show as many tortured men as you like and it's never degrading to men. But show a woman and it's instantly degrading to women. Can't you see that you're perpetuating a Victorian stereotype when women were thought of as delicate flowers to be protected by the men? If you want to find torture degrading then fine, but talk of it as being degrading to humans. The gender has nothing to do with it.

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Your right in a way but you know what I'd still probably feel the same if it was a dude up there with balls cut off. Also, show a screen shot of that to 100 women and see what they think I can bet on what 90 percent would say.

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aldiboronti said:
Odd, isn't it? Show as many tortured men as you like and it's never degrading to men. But show a woman and it's instantly degrading to women. Can't you see that you're perpetuating a Victorian stereotype when women were thought of as delicate flowers to be protected by the men? If you want to find torture degrading then fine, but talk of it as being degrading to humans. The gender has nothing to do with it.


Try reading again.


Gez said:
But it is gore and violence. Doom scenery is frequently full of tortured people (what with Hell and stuff); but they're generally in a rather low resolution.

Here, apparently because that gore and violence is directed towards women, it gets both sexualized and put at an extra-super-ultra-high res so we get to ogle every little detail.

(Also, there's a total of four such sprites, though one is only a head.)


... And I don't want this point to overshadow the rest of the problems I had with that map.



Put a 256x500 animated sprite of a photorealistic tortured man showing his naked sex; that'd be just the same thing.

The gore in Doom is, what, about 41x84 pixels at most (GOR1: 30x68; GOR2: 41x84, GOR3: 39x79, GOR4: 18x67, GOR5: 14x53). And the victims are still clothed; but even if they were naked, the low resolution would blur nudity out. They aren't in a sexualized pose either.

If these had been at the same resolution used by absolute everything else in the game and the mod, it would have been a lot less of an issue. But instead; it's been given a deluxe treatment so that none of the fine details are lost. Why?

And that is when the "they are girls" come from. There's some gore taken from Doom II (but it's already for Doom II, so why duplicate the sprites, I don't know) and Hexen, too. But with resolutions like 50x15; it's kinda self-censored. You can't even tell whether they're men or women; since they're just shriveled mummies or flayed husks.

And they look cartoony anyway. Let me digress a bit. When Sergent Mark IV wanted to add photorealistic gore to Brutal Doom (with pics of brains and organs and wounded bodies taken from actual pictures of real people who met grizzly ends); it brought in a little controversy too. The victims weren't even women.

Anyway, back to the issue at hand. You can't play the hypocrite card by saying accepting cartoony drawings of gore in 2 000 pixels or less means we should accept photorealistic renders* of sexualized gore in over 100 000 pixels. There's a few orders of magnitude between both graphics; an important difference of style, and an even more important difference of perceived intent.

(*Looks like Poser models.)

Maybe talking about pictures isn't an efficient way of doing things. Let us compare gory depiction of men vs. gory depictions of women:

http://i.imgur.com/DtCMk.png

Yeah, "the gender has nothing to do with it" indeed.

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aldiboronti said:


Odd, isn't it? Show as many tortured men as you like and it's never degrading to men. But show a woman and it's instantly degrading to women. Can't you see that you're perpetuating a Victorian stereotype when women were thought of as delicate flowers to be protected by the men? If you want to find torture degrading then fine, but talk of it as being degrading to humans. The gender has nothing to do with it.



There needs to be some definition for the kind of argument you just made. Pink knighting? I'm going to go with pink knighting.

Exercizing physical, graphical violence over people, males or females, is a predominently male fantasy, and the way it's indulged in games is indeed most often done to appeal to males.

I haven't even checked this mod, but I'm going to go and guess there's no fat or ugly woman in there, just creatures with unlikely breasts-to-waist ratio, obviously designed to be attractive to males.

Compare that with the average tortured male in Doom, or really in almost any game, which tends to look just like that - average. They're random poor schmucks, so you can feel like you're better than them, you're the rooster in the hen house.

There are fundamental differences between genders. No amount of political correctness will ever change that.

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GASP GEZ, i still can see some PUBES! Ewwww, come ooon, i'm only 21!

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pfft, yeah thats just porn, no debate to be had here (other than the mass kind)

I've got nothing against porn myself, but when you see stuff like that in a video game its like seeing a window into a world of sweaty wanking nerds that I'd rather not think about while I'm killing monsters.

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OMG... It's awful. So, if you (I appealing now to all people, who codemn woman sprite in this wad) codemn sprite with so zeal, let's codemn sculptures and pictures with some erotic content and add to them 18+ rating... It's just art, ART without any porn or alike things.
It's great map, I played it, when FMC6 was released. Very good detail, ideas, but too violent gameplay :) .

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No. I'm going to stop you right there, you don't get to play the "anyone who dislikes this is a prude, this is art" card. Take it, shove it up your ass, then take it out and use the shit you're so full of to cover your keyboard so we don't have to read such asinine, immature, pointless drivel.

Nobody is offended by nudity here. The objections are about how tacky this particular implementation happens to be. You are not being the awe-inspiring free thinker you seem to think you are here; "sweaty wanking nerd" is a much better way to put it.

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I don't want to dispute. It's stupid, but "asinine, immature, pointless drivel" is bigger part of this topic.
Post all, what you want, I will not post messages in this topic more. It will be flood.

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18+?

Guess I'm not playing then..

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Phml said:
No. I'm going to stop you right there, you don't get to play the "anyone who dislikes this is a prude, this is art" card. Take it, shove it up your ass, then take it out and use the shit you're so full of to cover your keyboard so we don't have to read such asinine, immature, pointless drivel.

Nobody is offended by nudity here. The objections are about how tacky this particular implementation happens to be. You are not being the awe-inspiring free thinker you seem to think you are here; "sweaty wanking nerd" is a much better way to put it.



I have to agree, the depiction in this WAD is very tacky and really doesn't belong in Doom or any game it adds no value to game play and only serves to create controversy which is predominate in this thread.

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aldiboronti said:

Odd, isn't it? Show as many tortured men as you like and it's never degrading to men. But show a woman and it's instantly degrading to women. Can't you see that you're perpetuating a Victorian stereotype when women were thought of as delicate flowers to be protected by the men? If you want to find torture degrading then fine, but talk of it as being degrading to humans. The gender has nothing to do with it.


I'll field this since nobody seems to have addressed the main part of your post.

The reason depictions of tortured women are more degrading to women that depictions of tortured men are degrading to men is because men are in power. It's because we live in a world where female scientists get less recognition because their work is considered inferior to their male colleagues' with the same accomplishments. Where a promiscuous man is a stud, but a promiscuous woman is a slut. Where female rape victims are often unable to get legal assistance because "they asked for it" or "they should have known better". Where women get paid less than men with the same jobs. Where if a man takes a part in raising his child, it's a laudable accomplishment, but if a woman does it, she still should have cooked her husband dinner as well. Where men are the heroes of movies and books and women are the love interests. Where our word for us as a species is "mankind". Where men are the standard for everything and women are identified by the ways in which they are different.

So yeah, highly sexualised images of tortured women are incredibly degrading to women.

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And here I would have thought that "because the tortured men aren't posed spread-eagle or in lingerie, and they aren't in a resolution high enough to distinguish whether they've been circumcised or not" would have been enough of a distinction.

To go back on the topic of the gameplay itself:


Shadowman said:
==========================
Gez said:
"I didn't find the lich staff. Jumping into the alchemy furnace was a bit annoying, but afterwards I didn't see what I could do. Everywhere I could go had already been visited."
===========================

The lich staff is placed in the Alchemy:
http://postimage.org/image/e49npnp9j/



If both puzzle items are in the same room and to be used at the same place; why are there two items to begin with? I searched everywhere except in the alchemy room because it seemed to me it wouldn't be there. If you need two items to open a door, it makes sense that it translates to having to conquer two different areas. The items are basically just a token of having been somewhere and done something.

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Solarn said:
So yeah, highly sexualised images of tortured women are incredibly degrading to women.

I disagree. Just because the majority of the people see women and men the way you described doesn't automatically mean that the author wanted to degrade anyone. Unless the author clearly states his intentions, you can't judge his creations this way.

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I love how incredibly derailed this topic is because of a room in a map.

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