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TimeOfDeath
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I have a hard time believing that women's tennis is as popular as men's tennis.

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Doom Juan said:
but men played 5 sets, and women played only 3 so surely men should get paid more


This is completely asinine.


Tennis isn't a factory job. At the end, nobody cares how many sets were played; this is a totally immaterial thing. What matters is how much the sponsors invested, how many people bought tickets to view the competition, and how much TV and radio channels paid to get broadcasting rights; which is based on their estimation of how many people will watch and listen to their channel while they're broadcasting it.

Whether they play 3, 5, or 27 sets is totally immaterial.

What isn't immaterial, however, is how much skin their regulation outfit reveals, since this is a real factor in attracting specators, both on-site and through TV broadcast.

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Gez said:
What isn't immaterial, however, is how much skin their regulation outfit reveals, since this is a real factor in attracting specators, both on-site and through TV broadcast.


Dear Humanity,

Porn exists for a reason, knock this shit off.

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I've not heard a single utterance that has refuted anything I've said, but rather a futile collective or arguments that promote unfairness for it's own sake, on account that women apparently are 'oppressed' and deserve a recompense via more privilege at the behest of men.

I don't believe that men and women are unequal; history is littered with numerous examples that suggest otherwise, but I certainly would never give a give a woman equal pay for half a days work purely because she 'demanded' it on account of unfairness when she did half the work.

Equality is either total, or it is merely a sham.

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Doom Juan said:
I've not heard a single utterance that has refuted anything I've said...

that's because you're campaigning for misogyny and willful ignorance in Wads&Mods, why would anyone bother?

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In a perfect world, you wouldn't get paid for playing tennis.

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dew said:

that's because you're campaigning for misogyny and willful ignorance in Wads&Mods, why would anyone bother?



Not really, but you're most certainly campaigning on behalf of Misandry. I invite you to demonstrate how I'm a misogynist, in actual fact I dare you to do so.

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You're arguing that women are unjustly privileged because competition-level women tennis players have slightly shorter matches than men, for the same pay.

You are saying that they should be paid less. Because the time they save by not playing these additional two sets totally let them pursue a spare-time second job to compensate for the loss of revenue, I guess.

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Haters gonna hate. Shadowman, you should have replaced everything with a hires version so that The Sprite would've fit in better, instead of going the opposite way. Missed a classy opportunity :S Also, fu, dude, i can't fap to this anymore.

Speaking about gameplay, it's pretty tedious and painful, but i liked it anyway (yeaaah i'm like that), but played a bit rushed, leading to me having to cheat few times :p (yeah i'm like that).
The atmosphere was amazing too. I might give this wad a second go after a while, without resorting to cheap tricks to finish it.

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Gez said:
You're arguing that women are unjustly privileged because competition-level women tennis players have slightly shorter matches than men, for the same pay.

You are saying that they should be paid less. Because the time they save by not playing these additional two sets totally let them pursue a spare-time second job to compensate for the loss of revenue, I guess.



They should be paid less, and there's nothing remotely misogynist about expecting fair pay for a fair amount of work done. Do women automatically get a free pass on account that they are allegedly 'oppressed'? I find the argument that depictions of tortured women are more degrading to women because they are allegedly 'oppressed' complete and utter bullshit, and I merely used the silly Wimbledon example to highlight how this alleged oppression is merely a cheap political gimmick often employed by groups with a sinister agenda.

Another way of looking at it,would be that it's ok to depict men being tortured but not ok when it involves women? What gives them special privilege exactly?

And if we look back at my original post, you'll see that I did in fact suggest something that was both equal and fair:


So why not reduce men's tennis so that they played 3 sets, and then pay both sexes equally?



If anyone thinks that's unfair or unjust then they clearly have a problem with the fundamentals of rationality.

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Doom Juan, do you consider yourself a Men's Rights Advocate?

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kmxexii said:
Doom Juan, do you consider yourself a Men's Rights Advocate?


Of course :P

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jongo said:
Shadowman, you should have replaced everything with a hires version so that The Sprite would've fit in better, instead of going the opposite way.


I have replaced the sprites already. See a new link to the new version above (on the second page of this topic).

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Doom Juan said:
They should be paid less, and there's nothing remotely misogynist about expecting fair pay for a fair amount of work done.

SETS ARE NOT WORK!


You think there is nothing else in a professional athlete's career than the duration of the match? It doesn't matter. If sports organizations want five sets for men and three for women, it's their problem.

It doesn't mean that women only spend 60% of the time men do on their training regimen.

And again, it's not a physical thing that is produced. The way in which it brings money to the sponsors and sport organizations is the part that's spectacle first and foremost.

Paying them on the number of sets would be entirely stupid. I don't care whether they play as many, more, or less sets than men do. It doesn't change anything on the practical side of things.

Do you really think the three sets thing is why they had a lower pay? You'd be dead wrong. They would have had a lower pay even if they played seven sets. Because they're not paid for the sets.

And in any case; professional tennis players are not a statistically significant portion of the population.


Doom Juan said:
Another way of looking at it,would be that it's ok to depict men being tortured but not ok when it involves women? What gives them special privilege exactly?

How about the fact that when there are depiction of tortured men in video game, it isn't sexualized by putting them in lingerie and spreading their legs wide so you can ogle every detail of their crotch?

Nah, if it were that you would have caught it up like the first dozen times I brought that fucking point in this thread. Maybe... maybe you could try looking back at the comparison pic I posted earlier? Compare the raw eroticism of the two tortured men (in their 30x50 pixel glory; which is just enough to see that they are wearing pants) and that of the two tortured women.

Maybe if the tortured men graphics looked like they came from a gay fetish porn site, then it would be comparable. But it's usually not the case.

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Gez said:

SETS ARE NOT WORK!


You think there is nothing else in a professional athlete's career than the duration of the match? It doesn't matter. If sports organizations want five sets for men and three for women, it's their problem.

It doesn't mean that women only spend 60% of the time men do on their training regimen.

And again, it's not a physical thing that is produced. The way in which it brings money to the sponsors and sport organizations is the part that's spectacle first and foremost.

Paying them on the number of sets would be entirely stupid. I don't care whether they play as many, more, or less sets than men do. It doesn't change anything on the practical side of things.



Regardless, they should play equal sets on principle.


Do you really think the three sets thing is why they had a lower pay? You'd be dead wrong. They would have had a lower pay even if they played seven sets. Because they're not paid for the sets.

And in any case; professional tennis players are not a statistically significant portion of the population.



The Wimbledon comment was in response to a comment, and was merely emphasising what bullshit it is to suggest that women are 'oppressed' in the West.

Anyone who thinks that they are is either a loony-man-hating-feminist, or a retard.


How about the fact that when there are depiction of tortured men in video game, it isn't sexualized by putting them in lingerie and spreading their legs wide so you can ogle every detail of their crotch?


So you have a prudish disposition. I personally, if I hadn't of heard of this wad, would most certainly want to play it now after all your winging about it. You have no moral right to dictate to anyone when it pertains to art because it offends you personally, and in fact most modern computer games wouldn't have seen the light of day if people gave in to every angry group that got it's knickers in a twist.

And as regards kids downloading it: parents should have stricter control over what their kids get up to online. It's an vacuous argument to make anyway, since everyone knows that most teenage boys browses for porn online anyway.

Any who say they don't are liars.


Nah, if it were that you would have caught it up like the first dozen times I brought that fucking point in this thread. Maybe... maybe you could try looking back at the comparison pic I posted earlier? Compare the raw eroticism of the two tortured men (in their 30x50 pixel glory; which is just enough to see that they are wearing pants) and that of the two tortured women.


I saw the comparison pic, which made me want to download the wad all the more. Thanks for promoting what was a well crafted wad, with a sort of 1970s sexploitation vibe.

Well done.


Maybe if the tortured men graphics looked like they came from a gay fetish porn site, then it would be comparable. But it's usually not the case.


I'm comfortable enough with my sexuality that it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

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your tennis argument is insanely stupid and out of place. also ATP Masters tour is bo3, the only events still using bo5 are the grand slams, the tour finals, Davis Cup and Olympics finals - out of tradition only. men don't really play longer anymore. also prize money in sports is only dictated by popularity and sponsoring, i dare you to look up stats for any regular jobs even in our glorious advanced west and you'll see wages aren't equal between genders, not even remotely.

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dew said:
i dare you to look up stats for any regular jobs even in our glorious advanced west and you'll see wages aren't equal between genders, not even remotely.


Probably because men work harder:
[massive-ass quote removed - read the linked article if you are really interested]
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/se...it-sisters.html

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hahahaha... ok, you actually believe all your drivel. wow.

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Whatever Shadowman was thinking, I'm thankful. I've already learned so much from this topic!

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Doom Juan (and other dudes),

This is a WADs & Mods thread. Please use it for discussion of Shadowman's project "The Inquisitor". If you would like to discuss whether or not you or anyone else is being persecuted too much/not enough/just the right amount, please take it to the Everything Else subforum where it would actually be on-topic (but still stupid).

Thanks,
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Hi. Just finished it. Loved it. Want more. Thank you, Shadowman.

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Shadowman: You should replace these sprites in easter egg room with naked and tortured bodies of V. Putin, Hu Jintao and Kim Jong-un. That would make your wad 1000 times more epic.

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Sokoro said:
Shadowman: You should replace these sprites in easter egg room with naked and tortured bodies of V. Putin, Hu Jintao and Kim Jong-un. That would make your wad 1000 times more epic.


Want to put Hu Jintao there? Please, make your own wad, and put him there.
I'm surprised, how is it that this topic hasn't been sent into the "Post Hell" directory. Seems that DW has unlimited HDD capacity.
I suggest to return to wad's discussion, and of it's positive sides.

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The constant link:
http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?id=16951

It is a second version with female's hi-res sprites replaced.
So, all sprites are now low-res as you wish ;)

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So after all this rant all you did is rescale the sprites?
Hats off to you, sir.

I may not second your opinion on... whatever (then again, I just might - who knows?), but I'm glad to see that somewhere in this flood of feminist / anti-feminist garbage (which, as pointed out already, does not belong in DW forums) you took that one single fucking piece of constructive criticism - that the sprites do not fit because they're hi-res, while everything else isn't... and you fixed it. Good job.

Now, that we established that this is not a WAD about female tennis players, we should go back to discussing the artistic and gameplay values of given project.

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...downloading this just for the fact that it's got 4 pages of rants discussion to go with it. :)

EDIT: This thing's completely unplayable for me... gets about 0.5 FPS. Nevermind.

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Turn off the weather effects. I couldn't play it at all with the rain.

There's a lot to praise in this mod. I particularly love the variety of enemies and the tactics needed to beat them.

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