"Somewhere in Time": Vanilla Doom 2 megaWAD project (7-level demo on pg.2.!)

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Katamori
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Inspired by Scythe, Reverie, and similar small-map megaWADs, I make an attempt to create my own vanilla-compatible stuff.

I call it "Somewhere in Time", which describes the theme very well. Also, it's a reference to an album from heavy metal band Iron Maiden, which also inspire me.

That's all. =)

Maplist (almost finished, finished)

MAP01: Into The Unknown
MAP02: Brick Outpost
MAP03: The Parking House
MAP04: System Shop
MAP05: Dusk
MAP06: Nukage Collector
MAP07: The Black Void
MAP08: Hard Night in the office
MAP09: We Are All in Space!
MAP10: Wasteland Factory
MAP11: Nukepolis
MAP12: Mining Tower
MAP13: Mountain Heliport
MAP14: Valley of Shadows
MAP15: Mastermind's Realm
MAP16: The Sleeping Industry
MAP17: Castle Gardens
MAP18: Citybase Adventure
MAP19: The Waste(d) Legion
MAP20: Running Without End
MAP21: Hellbrary
MAP22: Arch of the Valkyrie
MAP23: The Sabbath
MAP24: The Fallen Stand
MAP25: Escape from Helltown
MAP26: The Stephouse
MAP27: Decay
MAP28: Shores of Dead
MAP29: Rise
MAP30: Persepolis
MAP31: Waterpark
MAP32: The Binding

List of music:

MAP01: UNDECIDED
MAP02: UNDECIDED
MAP03: Doom – "I Sawed the Demons" (E2M1)
MAP04: Cyberlords: Arcology – "Track 6"
MAP05: Metallica – "Of Wolf And Man"
MAP06: Iron Maiden – "Wasted Years"
MAP07: UNDECIDED
MAP08: Doom 2 – "Waiting Romero For Play" (MAP18)
MAP09: Unknown, maybe something from a NES game
MAP10: UNDECIDED
MAP11: Guns'n'Roses – "You could be mine"
MAP12: Iron Maiden – "Sea of Madness"
MAP13: UNDECIDED
MAP14: Metallica – "The Call of Ktulu"
MAP15: Metroid Fusion – "SA-X Appears"
MAP16: Final Doom TNT Evilution – "Horizon" (MAP20)
MAP17: Rise of the Triad OST – "Taskforce"
MAP18: UNDECIDED
MAP19: UNDECIDED
MAP20: Metallica – "Creeping Death"
MAP21: Doom – "Sign of Evil" (E1M8)
MAP22: UNDECIDED
MAP23: UNDECIDED
MAP24: Metallica – "The God that Failed"
MAP25: Iron Maiden – "Stranger in a Strange Land"
MAP26: Final Doom TNT Evilution – "Agony Rhapsody" (MAP06)
MAP27: Slayer – "Black Magic"
MAP28: Iron Maiden – "Déja Vu"
MAP29: UNDECIDED
MAP30: Iron Maiden – "Alexander the Great"
MAP31: Dimensions of Time MAP04
MAP32: UNDECIDED

Title music: UNDECIDED
Intermission track: UNDECIDED
Text music: Cyberlords: Arcology – "Track 3"

Playtesters:
- NoneeLlama
- Pottus
- Memfis
- grouchbag
- Plut
- dachauncinator

I'll relase it when it will be finished...until then, let's watch some screenshots (later, I'll make a video too):

http://i.imgur.com/7qQXY.png
http://i.imgur.com/uRnb0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BulHL.png
http://i.imgur.com/O7e6H.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gXRXR.jpg

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Last edited by Katamori on 06-17-13 at 16:12

11-17-12 13:07 #

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dannebubinga
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Looking good. Please stick to this idea and finish it. You've started thousands of project and just left them after some half-assed attempts. Just saying for your own best. Mapping will become much more enjoyable after you've released something, even if it kinda sucks.

11-17-12 13:16 #

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Chex Warrior
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Looks nice.

11-17-12 13:34 #

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Katamori
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dannebubinga said:
Looking good. Please stick to this idea and finish it. You've started thousands of project and just left them after some half-assed attempts. Just saying for your own best. Mapping will become much more enjoyable after you've released something, even if it kinda sucks.

Thanks! Yes, you are right, it's a typical mistake of mine...

11-17-12 13:42 #

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Whats up with all those pixels? I can even tell whats going on! I'm just kidding lol it looks interesting so far and I know out of anyone either big K can pull this off without too much difficulty or gives up (My money is on he pulls it off ;) ). I don't know how you feel about new textures as mentioned by another Doomer about vanilla wads with stock textures is maps tend to be very brown. At any rate it doesn't really bother me however I think his observation has merit so if you want to avoid this I suggest adding some more themes.

11-17-12 15:51 #

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Katamori
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Pottus said:
Whats up with all those pixels? I can even tell whats going on! I'm just kidding lol it looks interesting so far and I know out of anyone either big K can pull this off without too much difficulty or gives up (My money is on he pulls it off ;) ). I don't know how you feel about new textures as mentioned by another Doomer about vanilla wads with stock textures is maps tend to be very brown. At any rate it doesn't really bother me however I think his observation has merit so if you want to avoid this I suggest adding some more themes.

Thanks! Honestly, I don't want to add new textures. I'm quite sure that original Doom2 textures are enough to make good WADs, even though sometimes they become too brown.

I know, my shots are also very brown but it's because the style I tried to create. ("wasteland")

11-17-12 16:03 #

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Pottus
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I was just pointing it out, it doesn't bother me at all but other people it might so as long as you keep that in mind was the basis of my suggestion.

11-17-12 16:13 #

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The pictures could use some scaling down. :D Good luck man, I'm looking forward to it.

Speaking of Scythe, maybe you could get a guest mapper in for one of the secret levels. Just an idea.

11-17-12 22:25 #

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The last picture looks similar to the megawad I am making currently. Looks great though.

11-17-12 23:33 #

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valkiriforce
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Hey, cool project! Good luck working on it. :)

11-18-12 06:17 #

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Z86
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Nice looking screens.

I really like the name btw :)

11-18-12 07:45 #

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Big K just wanted to ask, why vanilla? I really like mapping in vanilla mainly because maps tend to be a lot more interesting game play wise just wondering your reasons for this undertaking =)

11-18-12 07:49 #

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Z86 said:
Nice looking screens.

I really like the name btw :)

Thanks! As it's written, the name is a music reference. =)

Pottus said:
Big K just wanted to ask, why vanilla? I really like mapping in vanilla mainly because maps tend to be a lot more interesting game play wise just wondering your reasons for this undertaking =)

Well, since I'm on Doomworld Forums, I played a lot of simplier WADs and I start to prefer them instead of ZDoom masterpieces. (however, I think, Stronghold: On The Edge of Chaos is still the best WAD ever ;D)

Boom- and vanilla-compatible WADs are becoming more interesting for me, because they are try to be unique with way less tools than ZDoom WADs and it looks like a kind of "challange" you know...I always wanted to make something unique and now I try it with the possibly simpliest tools.

Also, vanilla Doom WADs work on all the source ports so everyone may try them. I think it may be another reason, why Scythe became so popular. =)

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But do you really want to bother with all that visplane and segs stuff? Don't you think that it just limits your possibilities? You can make simplistic maps in "limit removing" format too, and this way you wouldn't need to cope with all annoying vanilla stuff.

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Memfis: you may be right... I've never dealt with visplane, segs and things like that, until yesterday, when I realised that I can't do as much detail as I want because original engine has limits.

Actually, "vanilla" means that I use stock Doom2 effects only, but it seems my maps will be bigger... =)

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I approve of the mapset name Katamori, the album's great by the way. =P

Looking forward to your progress.

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There is is some limitations but you end up getting a good feel for what will work and what won't typically your visplane count is going to be your limitation hitting 256 segs now and again in in certain areas with small peaks isn't too much to worry about just watch for areas where the seg count gets locked with 256+ segs opposed to sporadic peaks.

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From my point of view visplane overflows are an opportunity for more interesting areas. There was a tower placed in MAP20 of Reverie because I had trouble with visplane overflows in the open area of that map. Now I feel like the tower added much more character to the level itself instead of taking views away from the scenery. That's why I think vanilla WADs are fun to make because they sometimes force me to be experimental and step outside my normal train of thought.

11-18-12 19:34 #

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Developement sketch to MAP21: Hellbrary. Expect ingame shots very soon! =)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/522436_126110720879237_1787950431_n.jpg

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The implementation of the sketch above has happened! =)

http://i.imgur.com/KlES2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lJT5L.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uRnb0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jSwTR.jpg

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That looks really cool! That third shot looks especially good.

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I agree that third shot has a pretty cool atmosphere behind it.

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dannebubinga said:
You've started thousands of project...

Heh.

This is pretty good looking stuff, Katamori. It looks as though you're taking a stock-resources approach to this, which as someone who has strayed away from those in recent years, I wish you luck. And yes, please finish.

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Thank you guys, these are the moments which makes mapping worth to do!

Snakes: I'm closer to make something new and unique then I've ever been...this project gonna be successfull! I have 4 finished and several almost finished maps, it already might be enough to release in case of stop.

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Looks really good! Keep at it!

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Do you remember Shadow of the Damned? That project had only one finished maps: the first one. I retextured the whole map and I made it from Boom-compatible to Vanilla-compatible!

I think it still looks quite good. Also, I hope it will match to the WAD very well because this is way more detailed than the other finished map.

The matter is that another map is added to the set. MAP04: Dusk

http://i.imgur.com/O7e6H.jpg

PS.: I think I'm becoming hyperactive...

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Hellbrary monster placement is done! I sent the WAD to NoneeLlama for playtesting. Anyone else would like to be a playtester? =)

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I would play test but I don't like wasting my time reporting stuff that could be fixed in the same amount of time =)

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I would like to playtest,please.

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I'll send the WAD tomorrow or maybe later. I think I'm gonna finish another one before. =)

Pottus, just play and tell me if you can see something wrong. (unbalanced gameplay etc.)

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