I feel justified yet disgusted with myself at the same time
No, it's okay, Marnetmar, DrNukem is a personal friend of mine. Oh, and thanks for reopening the thread; it will be very useful as a conduit for public communication to resolve this until it's over, at which point it should indeed be locked and left to rot.
I hate drama with a passion, but I'm not going to back down until hfc2x resigns. I will communicate with everyone to get this sorted out as soon as possible. I didn't want it to come to this, but I didn't make this decision lightly.
Let me explain it to you from my position.
Jake Crusher said:
Wait a sec, I don't get it. If Sodaholic is not EU's current leader (no pun intended), and hfc2x decided not to do that crowd-funding stuff - then why the first person is so irritated?
I do not wish to see this project stopped. Especially because of someone's rash decision to stop everything.
When I handed the project off to hfc2x in early 2011, I only gave him permission to work on it as he saw fit; I did not excise my rights. Since a bulk of my work is still in there, it is still very much my project. And as for the "not the current leader" thing; I am now because I said so.
I think it's misrepresenting the situation to say that hfc2x "decided not to do that crowd-funding stuff". No, he very much decided to. Deciding to and then backpedaling like a coward after justified backlash =/= deciding not to at all.
Why am I irritated? Well, I'm more than irritated; I'm pissed. This is my project to begin with and the majority of my work still in there (if the gameplay videos are up to date). He went and broke the law using my assets. Everyone knows just how litigious Bethesda is, and I do not appreciate potentially being put at legal risk because of his stupid recklessness. And as much as I think copyright law needs revision, I still respect it in some ways. If I were id/Bethesda/Zenimax, I'd be pissed, and rightly so.
This isn't the only thing. While minor in comparison to this, I've been quietly watching him and this project for a while and have become annoyed with his disrespectful insults about me behind my back. The Kickstarter thing is the main issue, but the insults are only further justification for my decision.
Not only is it my project he's badly handling, but he broke the law and he broke my trust. I have very good reason to be upset.
And while my initial reaction was "shut it all down," if you had actually bothered to read the rest of what I wrote, you would know that I've decided to simply take over than shut it down. I and others don't want to see this project die, so I'll do what I can to prevent that.
Despite my highly negative tone in this post, I do want to clarify that I'm not mad at you at all, even if I find your view of the situation lacking in understanding. The only person I'm mad at is hfc2x, and I don't want anyone else to think that I'm mad at them.
You make a legitimate point. Though never stated until now, the reason I tried to remove my credit was out of childish spite in regards to how my tenure at the ZDoom forums ended. Though, rationally and in retrospect, the two are actually unrelated. However, I was in a less rational and less mature state of mind back then. Not that that excuses it; it's still on the record.
Considering that he has only now decided - after one small mistake - to return and reassert his leadership over a project that, two years ago, he wanted nothing more to do with? Not cool.
Take from it what you will, I will admit that it is a weak point in my argument, but I don't consider it very valid since much of it still remains my work and being the author, I feel I have the right to regain credit. I look at it that though one may attempt to conceal credit for whatever reason, it is impossible to actually lose it by virtue of being the author whether one likes it or not. Others may see it differently of course, and I'm fine with that.
Also, I must disagree with you that it was not a "small mistake". He broke the fucking law, for god's sake. Wanting credit or not, my work is still in there and I did not authorize it to be used in that way. I also don't appreciate being put at potential risk by being connected to the project, should Bethesda choose to litigate.
Also true. Though, some of my maps were heavily edited from the 0.4 versions I used as a basis. While I realize one could recreate them from scratch just by reference, they were unique. I think I deserve at least partial credit. Not in any legal sense or whatever, but rather in an "etiquette" kind of way, if that makes any sense.
About the only things he can legally claim credit to are probably the computer voices and the code. The rest is so deeply rooted in the original, id Software-copyrighted assets that demanding that they be pulled is pretty much meaningless, since they can be very easily recreated from the id assets.
Last edited by Sodaholic on Jun 20 2014 at 17:56