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Ty Halderman
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Hi all,

Just a note to inform you of changes in the way I am going to be handling uploads in the future (and recent past--effective 1 Sep 2013). I've modified the README.INCOMING etc. files on the archive but probably no one will notice that so this may make it easier for all of us.

If you upload a file to the archives, you will be asked to reply to an email. That email might end up in your SPAM folder (especially on overzealous GMail) so if you do upload something keep an eye out. It will usually get there within a day or so of the time you upload, and as part of that process your file will be moved out of Incoming temporarily.

Why all this, you ask? Or you didn't ask but I'll tell you anyway. It's slightly depressing but that's the way it goes.

I think quoting the email is probably the simplest way to tell you the rest:


Due to the large number of uploaded DOOM levels that are either junk from an invalid email account, or uploaded with someone else's name on it, I have had to resort to checking the validity of every upload via email.

If you uploaded one or more files in the last week, then you need to reply to this email with the name of the file or files. That will be enough to allow it in. If I either get a reply that you aren't the uploader, or no reply in 7 days, the file(s) will be rejected. They have meanwhile been moved to a folder underneath the incoming folder which you (and others) cannot see.

If you indeed uploaded several files at once, please identify them all in your response. I will only send one of these requests per uploader email address regardless of the number of files involved.

=-Ty Halderman, 3dgamers.com idgames administrator


The email will come from me at thldrmn@abydos.com.

=-Ty

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Great news! This is definitely a step in a the right direction! Thanks for your dedication and long time work with the archieves!

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Yeah, I'm glad to see that Ty is finally doing something about all that junk. Thanks for that and for maintaining the archive in general! :)

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Oh wow. That's a good bit of extra work tacked on to (what appears to be) the arduous task of maintaining the archive already. Right?

Not to imply that I think it's a bad idea or that there is a better solution, I just wouldn't want you to get overwhelmed. I value that archive a lot, you know! :)

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Is this all done manually on Ty's part? I can't imagine how frustrating that might be for him. :(

Anyhow, this is probably better than the alternative, but it does throw a monkey wrench into the already-difficult process of uploading to /idgames. I wonder if any folks would be willing to consider the idea of developing some sort of upload frontend for DW /idgames that's tied to forum accounts (similar to how t/nc does it) which folks can use as an alternative.

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To be honest, I'd rather do this than have to deal with people overwriting others' files (the worst part) and I was still having to evaluate suspicious email addresses by sending a test message. This way even if the email is correct, but that's not who uploaded it, the original author's aware of what's going on and has to in effect approve of the upload.

It's semiautomated now; I have several scripts I run to shuffle files and such. I'll probably add more automation to it as time goes on but it still sometimes takes a human eye to look at things. Let's face it, I shouldn't reject "fred [at] gmail [dot] com" just because Fred wants to avoid bot harvesting of his address. And though I could code for that, I don't really get that many uploads.

There are some folks who upload frequently enough that I "know" them and won't go through all this every time (think rslxxxxx.zips in combos) but it helps keep me more actively involved too. I would sometimes end up with 7-10 days between logging on but now I tend to get on daily-ish so throughput is better for everyone.

And if anyone chooses to pre-empt all this by emailing me ahead of the upload that they're going to do so, that simplifies it more. Worst thing is that this doesn't keep the crap away; I'll just know that the uploader didn't lie about their email. But I've never used quality as a criterion for allowing something into the archive, as discussed elsewhere and as is obvious when you look through the files...

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Just a quick question, would you be able to recruit someone to help you manage the archives? I dunno who you could ask, but I'm pretty sure maintaining an archive of this magnitude shouldn't be done by only just one person.

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Obsidian said:
Just a quick question, would you be able to recruit someone to help you manage the archives? I dunno who you could ask, but I'm pretty sure maintaining an archive of this magnitude shouldn't be done by only just one person.


This one person's been doing it since 1998 and that was when there was an active Quake community too, so I think I'll be okay. Thanks for the thought though.

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How about people just attach wad files to their email. Avoiding hassling with "ftp", whatever that is, is the main reason I don't upload stuff since I've never used it before.

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Good move, even if it's more labour intensive. I can live with the random crap but can't stand imposters.

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Mr. Ty Halderman, Doomworld Salutes You.

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Ty Halderman said:
This one person's been doing it since 1998
Ty, we so rarely hear much from you, thanks for all your work in continuing to maintain idgames all these years!

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Yeah, /idgames is the coolest. I use it a lot!

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Thanks a buch Mr. Halderman, your continuous commitment is appreciated (`・ω・)ゞ

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This is great news for sure. Hopefully it will stop a lot more junk and spam wads from been uploaded.

I got that email yesterday after my Zone 300 upload and I replied to Ty. The good thing is he can add the final, fixed version to the archives. I uploaded the original release on Sep 23 but then uploaded the final version the other day.

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Looks like 3 Terry Style maps have been released. So sadly this did not stop it.

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pcorf said:
Hopefully it will stop a lot more junk and spam wads from been uploaded.
Only if the uploader uses an invalid email address or attempts to pass the wad off as someone else's work.

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GreyGhost said:
Only if the uploader uses an invalid email address or attempts to pass the wad off as someone else's work.


So yeah this is not the end of Carnevil and awful noises. But I get it, if somebody uploaded spam under my name then I would let Ty know.

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I know the /idgames archive anonymous reviewing system has never really been a font of reliable reviews, but the fact that we now have a group of trolls seemingly decrying literally everything as a "terrywad" now and giving 0 stars is pretty disappointing. I mean, I was a bit gutted that they targeted my latest archived map, but now I've seen Hell Revealed II has been hit by a couple of them too it's getting really silly.

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And they're upvoting the lates batch of trollwads as well. -_- I'm really quite thankful for the blue comments right now.

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That's what the "report review abuse" button is for.

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Great job on doing a ... well... a whole lot of nothing to prevent main idgames problems.

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j4rio said:
Great job on doing a ... well... a whole lot of nothing to prevent main idgames problems.

Yeah, because preventing wads from being overwritten and stopping impersonators isn't important.

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Bloodshedder said:
That's what the "report review abuse" button is for.


Already did that. There's not much else I can do. :/

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There are definitely some other annoying abuses of the system still to solve, but this is a step in the right direction.

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Obsidian said:


Already did that. There's not much else I can do. :/

You might like to help me figure out how to detonate a 3D printable model of a small thermonuclear device while it's still in system memory. Not looking for a big bang, just enough to vaporize part of the motherboard and render anyone nearby sterile. We could then embed it in a YouTube video (which would serve as both delivery system and timer/detonator) and leave a link where the trolls can find it. Problem solved!

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GreyGhost said:
You might like to help me figure out how to detonate a 3D printable model of a small thermonuclear device while it's still in system memory. Not looking for a big bang, just enough to vaporize part of the motherboard and render anyone nearby sterile. We could then embed it in a YouTube video (which would serve as both delivery system and timer/detonator) and leave a link where the trolls can find it. Problem solved!


Brilliant! I'll go se-

Wait a second. :P

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Phobus said:
I know the /idgames archive anonymous reviewing system has never really been a font of reliable reviews, but the fact that we now have a group of trolls seemingly decrying literally everything as a "terrywad" now and giving 0 stars is pretty disappointing. I mean, I was a bit gutted that they targeted my latest archived map, but now I've seen Hell Revealed II has been hit by a couple of them too it's getting really silly.


Even Zone 300 has been accused a Terry wad. But who cares, young boys with nothing to do in their lives. But I think we need to stop this review system, stopping it will eventually stop the junk, the bad uploads. I remember 10-15 years ago, times were so much better.

Here are some solutions.

1. Comments should be only posted by people who have signed into DW. Anonymous comments should be not allowed.

2. The name "Terry" should trigger an error and disable posting of that comment.

3. Or they should completely remove the comments section, all you can vote is from 0 to 5 but cannot write a comment anymore.

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I'd go a step further with solution #1 and limit commenting to members in good standing, which would automatically exclude the many losered and banned members. I'd also apply the forum's code of conduct (and penalties) to review centre comments, which might render solutions #2 and #3 unnecessary.

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GreyGhost said:
I'd go a step further with solution #1 and limit commenting to members in good standing, which would automatically exclude the many losered and banned members. I'd also apply the forum's code of conduct (and penalties) to review centre comments, which might render solutions #2 and #3 unnecessary.


Meh, personally I wouldn't go that overboard. Limiting comments to forum members will filter out most of the junk, and if a Losered or banned member ends up spamming the archives we could probably delete the account. Doomworld isn't the most easygoing of forums and we don't want to scare away too many people. :P

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