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Plutonia 2

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An add-on sequel for Final DOOM's "The Plutonia Experiment". It emulates Plutonia's design and gameplay styles and follows from where it left off.


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top quality 5/5 - anonymouslyway

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sequel wads, you see so many of them, being sequels to fine franchises, those that are really close to sequels of other famous megawads but still being quite different (the Hell Revealed and Kama Sutra for an example), and then you got the team that decides to make an official sequel to an IWAD. now, the idea of doing this seems to have skyrocketed after Plutonia 2, which I guess is the first major one, afterwards you got the TWID sets, Doom 64 mapsets being made, TNT Revilution along with Devilution, isn't it clear that each and every one of us here on Doomworld is just a rabid fan of such a great game?

 

Plutonia 2 plays pretty appropriately for a sequel wad. it actually doesn't offer anything new besides a storyline, status bar, menu bar, and levels, but back in the day there were expansion packs (Hell 2 Pay, Perditions Gate, Build Engine add-ons) which have the same sort of thing, and Plutonia 2 honestly feels like that. but the gameplay is not standard Plutonia. standard Plutonia has low monster counts but difficult monster encounters in usually small levels. this has larger levels, larger monster counts, but still retains the aspect of difficult monster encounters. and just because there's more space to work with does not mean things are actually easier. you have to find your sense of place, where things are, and pick off the problems as they show face. there's gonna be some instances of hordes to deal with, usually smaller than your average Hell Revealed horde but still problematic in several levels. and like Plutonia, the biggest problem monsters are gonna be chaingunners, revenants, arch-viles, and mancubi, along with cyberdemons, pain elementals, and any particularly well-situated enemy to find.

 

you can pick just about any level to be a worthwhile challenge, as many levels are designed around exposing you to the galls of teleporting enemies throughout the wad. even from the second level, which has some nasty teleporting ambushes already. notable levels usually end up being chaos-fests in some ways, MAP09 being an example, followed by chunks of MAP16 and MAP17 (a perfect nonlinear adventure level with loads of meat). MAP18 is one of those wads that on subsequent playthroughs, is one of the most deceptively tough levels to offer. MAP20 is a grind-fest where you really want to pay attention to hitscanners, and then there's MAP23, the level I remember most (but loathe the most I should say), because of it's huge damaging blood pit and slaughter-lite encounters. MAP29 shines as another non-linear adventure level, good odysseys compounded by some other ones like MAP26. you gotta pay attention to the authors here, Eternal is all about proper monster placement that is almost starvation worthy while TVDV has some innovative ideas for vanilla (and his boss level is downright cool). Gusta and Pipicz carry some of the harder levels worth grinding through. you're gonna enjoy Plutonia 2 as long as you can enjoy the difficult combat that it entails.

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The themes bare hardly any resemblance to the original, i.e. rarely any nukage, and also not as many traps with chaingun dudes; instead weird experiments with PE's, and I felt there were too many average maps. That said, this is a very enjoyable wad, just didn't live up to (my) expectations. Fav map: 29. ****

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Why so Hard? 4/5 - Logan MTM

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Hardcore but awesome. Deserves 1000 out of 5.

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best of best! good job.

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I didn't like this very much and It shouldn't have been called plutonia 2 why? because this didn't much remind me of the plutonia experiment also It's not as much fun in my opinion *** -SS

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This is the one! Better than Scythe 2 and was... WOW... LEGENDARY... even though some of the maps are so HUGE... map29 as an example...

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5/5 all the way.

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Pretty fucking awesome. My only criticism is that in some of the larger maps I sometimes wasn't sure what the hell a switch I flipped had just done, and had to backtrack all over the place. PL2 manages to be a faithful successor to Plutonia, but also evidences a lot of its own creativity. Of course it can be deviously difficult, but happily on skill 3 I didn't have any "Impossible!" moments. Definitely destined to be one of the great releases of this year. *****

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Kind of rough on the edges, but still plenty fo fun. 4/5

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It fucking rules. Huge well designed maps, lots of details, high gameplay value, overall a must and of the best things which met me so far in 2009.

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The levels are really good, they do give me that plutonia feel, but like an earlier review said, the forced pickups are annoying. The new music however, i think is terrible. Also, i'm using chocolate-doom to play this and on some maps saving a game will cause it to crash which is irritating. If it wasn't for the bugs and music i'd give it a 5 but 3/5

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Only up to level 10 and getting my ass handed to me frequently.[Shoulda picked a lower difficulty than HMP]Lost track of how many saves I have.Well worth the the wait.Stop reading this and download NOW!EPIC!-5/5 d.d.koop

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I'm not sure if this is some sort of glitch but I'm getting tons of wall textures coming up black. Anyone know why this happens? Other than that, great game. Can't wait to finish it UV! :)

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Great. if i can i voting be 15!!! But only 5 stars.... :(

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in the long run after 15 20 maps... i find the style keep repeating. =/ ***** still

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If I had to pay money to buy this, I would. epic wad. Very epic wad. 5\5

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Excellent difficulty, great design and ultimate detail. Every Doom fan's must have!

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super, super excellent!!!!!!

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OMG... Dowload this NOW. 5/5

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I agree with the others, gets 5/5 very easily! It is very enjoyable to play all the levels. One of the best wads out there!

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I disagree with the last two comments. The name wasn't just tacked on, they really did try to make this wad with plutonia gameplay and feel and to me it pulls it off sucessfully. The maps simply blew my mind and still manages a classic gameplay. 5/5

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Just beat the plutonia 2 with brutal doom. and it was 4ucking awesome :)

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    • By Denim Destroyer · Posted
      Tough start with a couple of well designed monster encounters. Doesn't bring anything new to the table but is still plenty of fun.
    • By MuratMikal · Posted
      Pretty good megawad. Most maps are balanced on UV and very fun to MAX. The best for me were = 08 | 09 | 17 | 18 | 21 | 27 | 28 and 29. I just found 2 bad maps which were 15 and 32. Definitely worth a play.
    • By Denim Destroyer · Posted
      Back To Hell Episode 1 is a great example of bad first impressions. The first few four levels consist of odd progression choices that only make sense if you are familiar with playing Doom levels. For example map01 has you enter a room to press a switch that raises bars in the previous room granting access to a switch that raises bars in the first room. I will admit that I almost dropped the wad but I figured I could get through the levels fast, plus the early ones aren't bad just alright. After map04 the level quality increases immensely and I eventually found myself enjoying what I almost discarded. With that said the levels themselves are neither good or bad and if a the mapmakers ever decide to come back to this I recommend touching up the early levels.
    • By spd7693 · Posted
      The wad left me with mixed feelings after playing it. Some maps were outstanding. Some maps not so. Overall, I expected a lot more from this pack. Particularly the middle maps.    I'm delighted with the challenge and delighted even is too small of a word to explain it. I simply loved it. It was a great test for my skill and an awesome adventure. I wouldn't need to try to drop from UV at all since I managed to complete this one on this level. The combat was decent and in all maps the player is given a fair fight, just with a few miniscule exceptions. So, what's the problem of me not giving 5? Well, here it is.    Yes, I said the fights are fair and decent. But there is a difference with let's say Hell Revealed. In Alien Vendetta the combat goes: "Here are your monsters, find your way to defeat them and go on." In Hell Revealed it goes: "Here are your monsters, choose your way to defeat them and go on." The difference is much noticeable. True, the fights were fair, but there is a little quirk - in over half of the battles with high-tier monsters you were forced to strictly fight them with the BFG. I do not swing this way, sorry. I prefer duelling those monsters, not BFG-bashing them. Especially cyberdemons. I was denied at least 12 duels with cyberdemons due to their placement or the general way the set piece worked, which made the cyberdemon a priority kill. I simply was denied the opportunity to enjoy the fighting to its fullest. In Hell Revealed I could amuse myself with the maps however I wanted. There is one exception though. In HR in map 30 the 4 monsters in one volley way of the Icon Of Sin got the better of me. In AV the map is much bigger and I didn't feel it at all, so I could esily beat the map normally. In fact, I wouldn't have known the monsters were spawned in fours if I hadn't read it. Another exception is map 26 which was Post Mortem cleansed of the reasons I hated it - inverted monster priorities in combat and pain elementals spawning all the way on the other side, seeing you and flooding the level with lost souls before you get a chance to kill them.     The miniscule exceptions I mentioned earlier are the ending of map 17 with the number of arch-viles in the exit that simply is BFG-forced. Before them you also have maybe the worst-ever placed cyberdemon. Such a monster in such a cramped space? There barely is space to go past him and there is no way he doesn't hit you. While the map possesses only one megasphere. The other ones are the start and the end of map 24/25 Hordes Of Monsters. (24 in the first, 25 in the second release.) They're just based on rolling the RNG-dice and surviving. That simply destroys the otherwise perfect map. All the other combat into it was so well thought out and allowed so much so good tactical thinking. A few rooms with forced usage of the BFG, but that wasn't that bad in the end.    The only other map I didn't like is - guess which one - 24. 24 of the second release is simply boring. Just that. I also expected a lot more from map 16 which also I can say I disliked. Not in terms of combat, but in terms of monster placement rather. Personally, I was OK with fighting 6 cyberdemons at a time, but I wouldn't force the player to do that.    And my other complaint is visuals. People, when you make maps, please MARK THOSE LOCKED DOORS AND SWITCHES AND THOSE EXITS!!! Red skulls and red rectangles must be used then and only then when a red door or a red switch is marked by them. Same as blue and green. With the only exceptions being like for instance showing the location of the corresponding key or its pedestal, etc. So many maps used these textures on doors and switches that didn't require those keys or weren't used on such that did. Not to mention something that got me a bit bitter. I often am criticised of my rooms being bland and being just a straight shape. Well, at least I mark my locked doors and locked switches, as well as my exits. Also, the visuals on a few maps didn't impress me at all. Well, why does it impress you then while I get brought down? Seems like most of the criticizm towards me results in me not creating maps for years past or that I'm not a speedrunner of the early 2000s. If this is the quality you want, well, I'd prefer a good fight in a blase room than a bad fight in a well decorated room. And as for the problem "you don't see the exit until you're at the exit", well, how can I see the exit if there is no indication for an exit until you flip the switch or pass a seemingly normal teleporter? Subjectivism in action.    But there is a flip side. All in all, I played this wad for multiple reasons. To analyze the difficulty curve, to see if I can beat it on UV, to take inspirations and to take some map making models. The best for the latter were the maps by @Andy Johnsen (if it really is the Danish speedrunner behind this name.) I kinda like the majority of the maps created by Norse people, particularly the other big Dane Jens Nielsen. Johnsen definitely did the best job of all people who created maps and my comments from above of course address neither of his works. Definitely a player and a mapper I can learn a lot from. All in all, if we exclude the cases where some things made me scream "I can do better than that", I do have a lot to take under consideration. Especially Andy's maps. And especially... my favorite map.    You guessed it. My favorite map turned out to be map 29 Firewalk With Me. No other level ever feels more Hell than this! Visuals, combat, monster placement to the end! Best map I have ever played, most enjoyable too. Even the horde of revenants - my least favorite monster - didn't bother me at all. In fact my comment on the map was "In order to like this map you have to be a nerd. And be proud of it." Well, I consider myself a nerd in some ways. Especially while dancing around cyberdemon rockets. This map gave me so many opportunities for that as well. Other maps I want to highlight - 23, 13 (I believe this was the one with the cyberdemon in the crate room), 18, 26, 27 and 11. I have no words to describe them all. Definitely these are just another reason to play AV. I want to add in map 32 as well which also gives the player a fair fight all in all despite the rough start.    Wow... That's some essay of a review. But something that makes me wonder - should I keep on making new maps or not? After all, if the quality I should aim for is the quality of the greatest AV maps, then is this for me at all?    I was considering 5 stars, but a few disappointments can't allow me to. If there were more cyberdemons available for taking down with the SSG, I could have given 5. So much potential, but not what I expected. But does this deserve a sequel? Definitely! 
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