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galileo31dos01

· Edited by galileo31dos01

  

Done with these settings:

 

- PRBoom+ 2.5.1.4. complevel 9.

- Hurt Me Plenty.

- Continuous combined with a pistol start mindset.

- Saves every 10 minutes or so.

 

My curiosity started when the DWLeague or something chose this wad and I, checked what was its deal. I liked what I saw. Now it's done, a pretty nice and short episode replacement. Gameplay in general is the same throughout the wad, it's actually quite easy, reason why I regret not picking UV, and I'm sure on pistol starts would be easy too.

 

Monster placement is ok, it keeps the classic feeling but doesn't go far beyond simple: open a door, some monsters, flip this switch, go look for what it did, fight these monsters, get the key, etc. Not complaining, it's actually a style I enjoy for a few maps. There's a new enemy, a turret, I liked it but it has it's disadvantages. On one side, it keeps you alert when you hear one, that's a good point. On the other side, since it doesn't walk or fly, you have to kill it slowly by wall-covering, but the actual problem is, its target or hitbox (or whatever) is too thin, autoaim fails a lot, bullets or shells generally don't touch it unless you're close and that can cost your life. Luckily no one could kill me but the are health drainers for sure. They replace the Spiderdemon so that's why their bullets are highly painful.

 

Visuals are really cool, some nice architecture like the "lampposts" in map 06. I liked the fire animation in some levels, as well as the blue lights on teleporters. Also I saw a gif of a swivel chair in the same map which was funny. Secrets are cool, all of them are easy to find. I missed a secret though in map 04, no idea where could it be. My favourite map is 08, was actually odd to see cacodemons only at the end of the wad, they should have appeared much earlier. 

 

So yeah, nice episode, not the most exciting but good for visuals and easy stuff. My rate is 7.5/10

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bzzrak

  

An okay little episode for some casual demon shooting fun, but not much more.

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CapnClever

  

Playability notes: PrBoom+ with -complevel 9 had no problems. Pistol start and continuous both play well enough, take your pick.

 

Mapgame has a fun time integrating a new aesthetic into Knee Deep in the Dead, but lacks appropriate combat to make the set compelling. Many of the minor alterations don't feel forced and I quite like them, especially the visceral design of the new enemy: they breathe life into the old hat that is E1. Unfortunately, the choices made when it comes to encounters are what pervade each map, and as a whole it carries on very similarly to the point of tedium (with the exception of the finale).

 

E1 replacements can mean a lot of things to a lot of mappers. This mapset limits the following, roughly:

  • No plasma weapons
  • Using only textures from the original IWAD as the basis of visual design
  • No use of enemy teleportation except when involving pentagram-shaped floor
  • Enemies are only Former Humans, Sergeants, Imps, and Demon/Spectre, until the final map

The final limitation has a notable exception in an entirely new enemy, which I will name Sentry Turret (lacking an official name in the text file). It fills a familiar niche, unlike what might be expected when adding monsters outside of E1, so I don't consider it a massive departure from the limitation.

 

My chief complaint with Mapgame is that it so very often avoids gameplay beyond the simplistic cases of either: blankly shooting into a room until it's safe to move through, or keeping to a cover point and patiently knocking out one enemy at a time. There are very few enemies that will roam outside of your purview unless you ignore them on purpose, and virtually no ambushes unless you run haphazardly through the maps. Even from the first map, it's easy to end up in a situation of unloading each shotgun shell without so much as strafing, and although the occasional big group will require some tactical cover it's rarely a necessity to backpedal. The primary difficulty has to do with lack of available health and armor, meaning that the player has to focus down hitscanners, and this is where the strategy tends to end.

 

The sentry turret, as much as I love its design, is ultimately disappointing in practice. Visually it's somewhat camouflaged, whereas aurally it's incredibly loud and alerts you: this produces a similar quality in the spectre, in that you hear it and panic, searching for its location before feeling safe. Of course, being a turret it can't move, and with the combination of hitscan and demon-level HP it typically becomes a chore once you find the right position from which to attack. Even more baffling is its continuous usage at the rear of larger groups, almost always causing each fight half-won before firing a single bullet. In short, it's a static, durable chaingunner, with all the potential (or lack thereof) that carries.

 

Some highlights:

  • There are some excellent visual pieces throughout the set: the corpse pile in M2, the teleportation reveal in M5, the void segments in M7. Unfortunately, these come at the juxtaposition of completely unappealing combat that takes place within them.
  • I don't at all mind the chain gun replacement... except for the lack of hitscan. To be fair, this gives you more incentive to use the shotgun as the single practical hitscan weapon, but more often than not I was simply wishing for the chain gun instead.
  • A fair portion of the progression is awkward, with a number of switches providing no sense of what they do. In some cases there are subtle clues, such as matching the texturing around the switch to the texturing around the corresponding door, though it is not used consistently.
  • In general, the gameplay gradually gets better over the course of the set. M4 and M6 are my favorite "normal" levels, partly because they're on the shorter side, partly because the types of combat available are handled better.
  • The M8 "boss" map has the most interesting fights, probably because the arenas involved help to change up the pace. The Baron fight in particular manages to be quite amusing, although once the first two are gone it's just a matter of cleaning up.

 

My recommendation: if you're searching for gameplay that can be squeezed out of E1-like limitations, there's nothing here for you. However, if you don't mind patiently wading through enemies while admiring the layouts, it's a pretty good exhibition.

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Excellent? Yes!

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I agree with the fourth reviewer. But I will give 4/5

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Not 100% perfect as there are one or two minor flaws. However, gameplay is amazingly good for an E1 styled episode, the challenge is great and the new resources really add to the experience. 5* for sure - Phobus

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This guy has more creativity in his little finger than most have in their entire body! Architecture and level design/flow are unparalleled. Simply brilliant! 5/5

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Take a typical E1 replacments, but throw in a few tricks and some extra creativity and here's what you get. Recommendable on ever level.

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A pretty "plain" set of maps. Sure the maps look good and have nice architecture, but the gameplay isn't very engaging. A bit too much "lets hit a switch and figure out what happens!" to my taste, too.

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Perfect

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I love it. Fucking excellent. -Mek

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One of the Wads of 2009 - Twenty-Three

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Great job. 5/5

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goooooooooooooood

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I appaluad you -- This is the first map in a while I played where I had to turn down Zdoom's gamma correction. It was actually reasonably bright, compared to a lot of things I see. Gameplay was decent with just enough ammo for my playing style. Texturing wasn't the best in the world, but the detail usually wasn't boring. It was certanly worth my time checking out. However, the shotgun sound was a little annoying, and I don't see the point in it. 4/5 --InsanityBringer

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Awesome gameplay! Could be a little more detailed anyway! 4/5 - Logan MTM

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This is fucking awesome! Cool new textures and high saturated pallete, great gameplay, nice smoking satanic rituals and scary stuff. 5/5 - Optimus

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Boring E1 replacement. Fights are dull and uninteresting because it's always the same four demon types over and over. The original Doom made up for this by being challenging and having good puzzles. This wad has neither quality. The only challenge comes from a lack of health which is pretty bad design. The new gun sounds are annoying, as is the sentry gun enemy. The chain gun replacement sucks too. Everyone else likes it, so maybe it's just me, but I will pass. 2/5

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Why no workie in ZDoom, like you stated? Also doesn't work in GZDoom :( Tried in Risen3D and it worked, but... meh, I wanted to mix it with Brutal Doom... 3/5

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I played it few years ago, but I still remember that as one of the best replacement for Doom1 episode ever... 5/5 - Damned

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That was great. Loved it. I liked KDIZD unlike most ppl but this felt a lot more like reliving the magic of Knee Deep in the Dead than KDIZD did. Great architecture and really fun and interesting levels. Didn't really like the shotgun sound replacement and thought it was a bit odd that the chaingun was replaced with a rapid fire flaregun. Levels were amazing tho...

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This is a huge reward for anyone looking for classic Doom action. I recommend it with all my heart. This is one of a few WADs that I keep coming back to again and again. 5/5

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Very cool and very addictive - 5/5 DD

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Very nice! But there is at least one bug: in E1M7, two demons are stuck inside each other near the level's exit and thus don't teleport in there like they're supposed to. Still, 5/5.

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    • By Meril · Posted
      For 95' map is really ok. A bit "blocky" design, but not bad. Map is rather big, it takes me 40min but i get lost in one place. Some good traps, IMO kinda challanging at the begining, before you get ssg. Overall good classic wad.
    • By Erick · Posted
      Fun map that captures a nice TNT-ish feel with plenty of weird yet also nice looking rooms, groups of hitscanners and demons to blast through, and a sense of adventure to it. Taking the MAP14 slot, you would see the episode 2 skybox of TNT: Evilution and listen to the track "Cold Subtleness", both creating a nice atmosphere to the map. Worth checking out!
    • By Player Lin · Posted
      Doesn't like the layout and monster replacements, I didn't found RL until got the yellow key and found a lot of rockets, the location where RL is confusing me, and it also not fun when you get kicked down from the cliffs by Revenants, Mancubus and Archviles after the way to Blue key door, the way to the teleporter just far enough to kill you if not killed by monsters which kicked you down. Final timed puzzle room just nasty as the cyberdemon and archvile fights in the same place, not sure why make the level so big but can't make the fights with them also on bigger place too?   It's not bad level but I'm sure the frustration level is sky high, and not sure the slopes from ZDooM do anything good to this level too.
    • By Player Lin · Posted
      Normally, I don't like DooM (1 or UD) WADs because I tired shooting baddies with shotgun as most of them tend put a lot of shotgun guys/ammo and I have shot those full of shotty shit...well, this one can't escaped from that but I found author's tricky as I didn't found many of them(or they placed when I needed to use shotty), also the monster placements(with middle-tier ones) in this megawad helped too, even E1 doesn't suffers low-tier ammo-droping-fest unlike IWAD and most PWADs.   Level layouts and theme are interesting, some E3 levels just a little mazed but I feel okay, never get lost...many levels I feel plays like IWAD but better and larger, you'll found middle-tier monsters in E1 levels and it helps the gameplay, unlike the IWAD you'll have too much ammo in every level even pistol start, if you wasted too much and will out of ammo for sure(at least in UV).   All I can say about this megawad is...fun,  vanilla fun. Except E3M8, the yellow key area with platforming when all enemies + 4 cyberdemons are try to kill me and battles-of-deal-with-4-cyberdemons-or/and-other-powerful-monsters are nasty to me, on top of them, the final "BOSS"...I feel trolled...really? IoS-style?? IT'S ****ING DOOM, NOT DOOM 2 WHY USE IOS-STYLE AS FINAL BOSS?!  :P (At least there is no respawning monster cubes just annoying cyberdemons and barons...but they're still give me a lot of headaches as the battle area isn't very huge and a little cramped I think...)   But at least IDMUS11 helps me dealt with those problems all, for some reasons I feel the main theme of Power Ranger does fit DooM...don't know why but I keep switch to the theme with IDMUS11 cheat if I don't like the level's music, helps me blast through this megawad and the nasty E3M8. :P
    • By Doomkid · Posted
      Download the REAL file here (rd1.zip is NOT correct) https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/megawads/d64d2   Shocked to see so many negative reviews. I had an absolute blast with this one, and I'm not sure what Nems was talking about with the Boom stuff as this runs in Doom2.exe with no trouble. In fact, there is a TON of impressive vanilla stuff going on here. I guess it was so well done that it tricked him.   This deserves a high score. It's a lot of fun.
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