Quasar Posted June 3, 2012 Technician said:Wow, I'm shocked they're not suing a mother who downloaded a GaGa album for seventy-five trillion. I'd say the result from the per-work calculation is still utterly absurd. Best argument for copyright reform seen in a long time. 0 Share this post Link to post
TimeOfDeath Posted June 3, 2012 I bet a lot of you didn't even know "trillion" was a real numberlolwut 0 Share this post Link to post
Technician Posted June 3, 2012 What I also find ironic is the artists who made the music won't ever see a penny of this cash grab that the music industry will pull in. It's so asinine it's terrible. TimeOfDeath said:lolwut You'd be surprised. 0 Share this post Link to post
j4rio Posted June 3, 2012 Fun fact - trillion in EU means 1000000000000000000 trillion in US meansĀ 1000000000000 0 Share this post Link to post
Blastfrog Posted June 3, 2012 j4rio said:Fun fact - trillion in EU means 1000000000000000000 trillion in US meansĀ 1000000000000 That's absolutely stupid. Why the difference? 0 Share this post Link to post
j4rio Posted June 3, 2012 Also billion in US is called "milliard" in EU trillion in US is the same billion in EU and apparently quintillion is the term used in US which matches trillion in EU I have a hazy recollection that I read somewhere there was a spaceship crash caused by these differences. I could be wrong. 0 Share this post Link to post
LĆ¼t Posted June 4, 2012 How ironic that a legal system that recognizes "absurd result" can look at a charge of $150,000 for a $0.99 song and not see the absurdity. 0 Share this post Link to post
Blastfrog Posted June 4, 2012 At least metric vs. imperial is excusable, they're clearly marked as being different and can be easily converted between one another. The same name for different numbers though? That's just absurd. Why don't they call for immediate action by the math community to decide what exactly a "billion" is anyway? This sounds like it could cause definite problems. LĆ¼t said:How ironic that a legal system that recognizes "absurd result" can look at a charge of $150,000 for a $0.99 song and not see the absurdity. You have to keep in mind that multiple people download it and not just one, so charging more than $0.99 is an understandable clause. That said, it's still an absurdly high amount to be asking. 0 Share this post Link to post
fraggle Posted June 4, 2012 j4rio said:Fun fact - trillion in EU means 1000000000000000000 Nope. 0 Share this post Link to post
Krispy Posted June 4, 2012 Sodaholic said:You have to keep in mind that multiple people download it and not just one, so charging more than $0.99 is an understandable clause. That said, it's still an absurdly high amount to be asking. My God, a reasonable statement. TBH, the music industry can kiss my ass after pulling that "We're gonna sue them for more than the world" stunt. 0 Share this post Link to post
j4rio Posted June 4, 2012 fraggle said:Nope. million = 6 zeros millard = 9 zeros billion = 12 zeros billard = 15 zeros trillion = 18 zeros trilliard = 21 zeors kvadrillion = 24 zeros kvadrilliard = 27 zeros that's how it was around here at least, unless there were some official changes 0 Share this post Link to post
Technician Posted June 4, 2012 PRIMEVAL said:Wait a minute, LimeWire is still around? No, they closed last October when the Megaupload shit hit the fan. 0 Share this post Link to post
PRIMEVAL Posted June 4, 2012 Technician said:No, they closed last October when the Megaupload shit hit the fan. They were around even then? Thought they died off like 5 or so years ago. 0 Share this post Link to post
eargosedown Posted June 4, 2012 Who necro'd this threa---Wait... didn't this already happen once, like a year ago? Hm, if not, amazing deja vue. Regardless, copyright infringement penalties are a bit silly at 150 grand per infringement. 0 Share this post Link to post
Technician Posted June 4, 2012 Sodaholic said:You have to keep in mind that multiple people download it and not just one, so charging more than $0.99 is an understandable clause. That said, it's still an absurdly high amount to be asking. The number of downloads that were tracked would come in at $150,000 a piece if they were awarded seventy-five trillion. There is no way in hell songs were downloaded seventy-five trillion times. The music industry is literally asking for $149,999,99 compensation per song. They are fucking out of their minds! It's not spreading fear to copyright infringers - it's showing blatant insanity at parody levels. 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted June 4, 2012 Sodaholic said: Why don't they call for immediate action by the math community to decide what exactly a "billion" is anyway? They already did and that's why the metric system exists. 0 Share this post Link to post
Csonicgo Posted June 4, 2012 myk said:They already did and that's why the metric system exists. This Long-short stuff has already been resolved. Short is king in the US and UK and in the scientific world. 0 Share this post Link to post
Mr. T Posted June 4, 2012 Same thing with long tons (1015kg) short tons (900kg) and tonnes (1000kg) arghghghghghg 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted June 4, 2012 Csonicgo said: the scientific world. You mean "to publish in English (language) science journals". It's just that the US and the UK control a good part of the scientific circuit and thus attract a large number of publications. Scientists can and do use scientific notation or Greek-derived terms (such as 1012 and tera) and complement these with their local language methods and then translate when and if necessary. Otherwise, a scientific text would just become more cryptic in the local language. I don't know about other languages, but in Spanish you've got yet another difference; the comma and dot in thousands and fractions are the other way around. That is, 1,000,000.666 in English is 1.000.000,666 in Spanish. 0 Share this post Link to post
Csonicgo Posted June 4, 2012 myk said:You mean "to publish in English (language) science journals". Exactly, but not your reasoning. The real reasons are because the language is unregulated. French scientists I met have told me this, time and time again. English is the freest language ever made at this point. And quite a coincidence that it's still popular, so it works out double. With English, you can coin new words and phrases without a committee saying if your words are "pure" or not- as Adademie Francaise has done in the past. English isn't tied to a nation, identity, or culture any more. Thank the gods. 0 Share this post Link to post
printz Posted June 4, 2012 Man the RIAA are ruthless. I think they care too much about this entertainment shit. It's just stupid music. 0 Share this post Link to post
Csonicgo Posted June 4, 2012 printz said:Man the RIAA are ruthless. I think they care too much about this entertainment shit. It's just stupid music. Independent labels are killing them. Softly but it is working. 0 Share this post Link to post
Phobus Posted June 4, 2012 j4rio said:I have a hazy recollection that I read somewhere there was a spaceship crash caused by these differences. I could be wrong. I believe there was something like this, but it was down the metric vs. imperial rather than how many 0s are in a billion. Likewise, I could bewrong. I definitely remember a story like one of ours though... 0 Share this post Link to post
Fluffles Posted June 4, 2012 God I fucking hate the music industry, so money hungry. Every single faggot who is high up in the music industry is already incredibly rich. I'm glad people pirate tonnes of music. 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted June 4, 2012 Csonicgo said: The real reasons are because the language is unregulated. It's really more because of British fleets and colonies, earlier, and then US nukes and Wall Street. The "unregulated" (not entirely) language, like other aspects of English culture, does fit in with the economic developments of the era, but it's a feedback system. Such (linguistic and social) systems are useful but also a result of the circumstances, which have geopolitic factors on top. The development of history and language end up with a chicken/egg dialectic. Did you really have to dumb down the spread of the English language to the same principle used by orthodox economists to sell their ideas? With English, you can coin new words and phrases without a committee saying if your words are "pure" or not- as Adademie Francaise has done in the past. So we are to believe that scientists around the non-English world are all using English terms for their scientific ideas to avoid the wrath of language academies? Amusing! English isn't tied to a nation, identity, or culture any more. That's wrong, as it's deeply tied to certain ethnicities, histories and institutions, but to put it in practical terms for the case in question, when you use the language of another nation or region for a specialty, fully or partially, it tends to serve the land of that language more than your people. It's simple, you interact more with that foreign land than with people who can't really understand what you say or write. This is why science is practiced in local languages in any place that seeks local development, and translations are then done during and for interaction with international circles, in any corresponding languages. 0 Share this post Link to post
VGamingJunkie Posted June 4, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc The companies that got 'harmed' by piracy are the people who promoted limewire in the first place and helped distribute it. Frikkin' manipulative bastards. 0 Share this post Link to post
dannebubinga Posted June 4, 2012 It's weird that the piracy debate always refers to the "music industry" when it's in fact many industries. The RIAA represents 85% of the record labels in the USA, which leaves 15% not represented by RIAA. Since RIAA sues limewire, 85% of the american music industries are assholes :) 0 Share this post Link to post