invictius Posted December 6, 2013 There's probably no easy answer for this - I'm wondering what proportion of wads on idgames would be for vanilla (most I guess), boom and zdoom. I'm asking this as it seems a lot of the wads in /ports only seem to require boom-compatible. 0 Share this post Link to post
Pure Hellspawn Posted December 6, 2013 i'm sure ty could use some SQL to figure out that answer. especially since ZDoom wads will always contain the string "ZDoom". 0 Share this post Link to post
Gez Posted December 6, 2013 Problem with a simple approach like that is that you will also get false positives for "Tested with: ZDoom, <other ports>", "May not run with: ZDoom", "By the same author: <some other maps> for ZDoom", and so on. The string "boom" is even worse because it's likely to be used outside of the context of source port names, too. Kinda like when I tried to find maps for "Eternity" by searching "whole textfile" for that string... At least 99% of the results were false positives. 0 Share this post Link to post
Xaser Posted December 6, 2013 Gez is right -- there's no good and hard way of determining this sort of thing. Welcome to data mining. ;) Granted, it'd be possible to get some rough estimates through the methods mentioned, and possibly use some more "intelligent" filtering (e.g. excluding mentions of ZDoom that have "Tested" in close proximity, as a really quick n' dirty example), but that's a bit outside my area of expertise. Hopefully someone with some real knowledge of statistical analysis on large data sets may be able to lend a hand. 0 Share this post Link to post
TimeOfDeath Posted December 6, 2013 I bet there are more wads that have zdoomisms than there are wads where the author says it was tested in zdoom but actually works in other ports. Might as well just go through each /idgames entry by hand and compile a list. Shouldn't take too long if you're fast. 0 Share this post Link to post
Zed Posted December 6, 2013 Here's an easy solution. Let's suppose there are 17,000 "id's" in the database. There are a little more than 14,000 members on doomworld. So, it shouldn't be difficult to recruit 170 members (this may take a while), and each member just has to review 100 wads/files. It's the easiest solution I can think of without complex statistical approaches. 0 Share this post Link to post
GreyGhost Posted December 7, 2013 Zed said:So, it shouldn't be difficult to recruit 17 members (this may take a while), and each member just has to review 1000 wads/files. FTFY It wouldn't take long to come up with reasonably accurate percentages for vanilla vs. the rest, further sorting by port-specific features will probably require some forensic examination of the wads themselves, the text files can only tell us so much. 0 Share this post Link to post
Memfis Posted December 7, 2013 Yeah, good luck finding 170 people willing to inspect 100 wads just to calculate some useless statistic that maybe 5 people care about. :) 0 Share this post Link to post
TimeOfDeath Posted December 7, 2013 Here are stats for the 0-9 and A-C folders in levels/doom2/Ports, but who knows what the wads are actually compatible with. zdoom 157 boom 72 limit-removing 36 unknown 23 gzdoom 21 legacy 20 skulltag 15 edge 7 doomsday 6 mbf 6 zandronum 5 jdoom 3 vavoom 3 cdoom 2 COD 1 csdoom 1 doom 64ex 1 levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/000207.zip boom levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/100lines.zip boom levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/100x.zip zdoom levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/102.zip boom levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/1024-1.zip boom levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/1024-2.zip boom levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/1024-3.zip boom levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/1024.zip boom levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/1024dc.zip boom levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/1024dcv2.zip boom levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/1024pc02.zip limit-removing levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/10cake.zip zdoom levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/10tomb4.zip boom levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/11years.zip limit-removing levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/13years.zip limit-removing levels/doom2/Ports/0-9/1tag.zip boom 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zdoom levels/doom2/Ports/a-c/cz_181b.zip zdoom levels/doom2/Ports/a-c/c_recept.zip legacy 0 Share this post Link to post
Hitherto Posted December 7, 2013 It will be nice if there exists a utility what check a wad-file (may be inside .zip for subj's packet processing) for boom/zdoom specific action subsets. Such thing will be very useful for identifying a right port/complevel for FDA. 0 Share this post Link to post
Gez Posted December 7, 2013 Even that could yield mostly-false positives. For example Whispers of Satan is a Boom-compatible map set, but it has a few ZDoom-only bonus levels. Freedoom used to have (and may still have; I haven't checked) a few decorative slopes in some level. The level author figured that since ports and vanilla do not complain about unknown line specials (contrarily to unknown sector specials which trigger vanilla to exit with an error message if the player enters them) and since the way they were used, they had no influence on gameplay, then it wouldn't harm anyone and would just be a little visual bonus for people using ZDoom. Those okay, such cases are probably the exception rather than the rule. 0 Share this post Link to post