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Are you a bad enough dude to have opinions about Doom levels?

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Hi, I have been thinking about a minor project, and to get help doing it / motivate me to actually do it, I would like to solicit people's opinions:

* what you consider the 10 best levels from the 68 levels that comprise Ultimate Doom / Doom 2

* what you consider the 10 worst levels from the 68 levels that comprise Ultimate Doom / Doom 2

That is all. Thank you and god bless.

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Ten Best
Doom 2 Map 16
Doom E3M6
Doom E3M2
Doom 2 Map 6
Doom E1M7
Doom 2 Map 13
Doom 2 Map 18
Doom E4M3
Doom E1M9
Doom 2 Map 11

Ten Worst
Doom E3M5
Doom 2 Map 17
Doom E4M6
Doom E2M6
Doom 2 Map 24
Doom E3M7
Doom 2 Map 19
Doom E2M9
Doom 2 Map 23
Doom 2 Map 27

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hmm

these are not in order of how much I like them, by the way

BEST 10:

-E1M5
-E1M7
-E4M1
-E4M6
-MAP02
-MAP11
-MAP14
-MAP15
-MAP26
-MAP29

WORST 10:

-E2M6
-E3M1
-E3M2
-E3M4
-MAP10
-MAP16
-MAP18
-MAP21
-MAP27
-MAP30

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I'll play your game this one time, Brandon.

best 10:
map03
map01
map11
map15
map16
map14
map21
e1m5
e3m6
e4m2

worst 10:
e3m2 x10, but also
e3m9
e3m1
e3m8
e3m5
e3m4
e1m9
map30
e2m7
map05

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I did not put much thought into this, ask me again and maybe I'll provide totally different answers. I don't really have strong opinions on these levels: they're just something I played a lot in childhood.

Favorite: e1m5, e2m7, e3m6, e4m5, e4m6, map02, map11, map18, map19, map24.
Least favorite: e1m6, e1m9, e2m5, e3m4, e3m5, map09, map16, map23, map28, map32.

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Oh this is hard, my best/worst tends to fluctuate, currently it's;

-10 Best Ultimate Doom-

e1m2: Nuclear Plant
e1m3: Toxin Refinery
e1m7: Computer Station
e2m2: Containment Area
e2m4: Deimos Lab
e2m5: Command Center
e2m7: Spawning Vats
e3m2: Slough of Despair
e3m6: Mt. Erebus
e3m7: Limbo

-10 Worst Ultimate Doom-

All of 'Thy Flesh Consumed'
Military Base

-10 Best Doom II-

Map 01: Entryway
Map 02: Underhalls
Map 05: The Waste Tunnels
Map 10: Refueling Base
Map 13: Downtown
Map 15: Industrial Zone
Map 16: Suburbs
Map 18: The Courtyard
Map 26: The Abandoned Mines
Map 27: The Living End

-10 Worst Doom II-

Map 03: The Gantlet
Map 07: Dead Simple
Map 08: Tricks and Traps
Map 12: The Factory
Map 20: Gotcha!
Map 21: Nirvana
Map 23: Barrels o' Fun
Map 27: Monster Condo
Map 28: The Spirit World
Map 30: Icon of Sin

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Didn't stop to define a set of consistent criteria, so there's a mix of "love/hate because it was fun/unfun" and "good/bad because of objective qualities X/Y" that led to slight contradictions in one or two places (e.g., with "The Pit").

Best

E1M1: Hangar
E1M3: Toxin Refinery
E1M5: Phobos Lab
E1M7: Computer Station
E2M4: Deimos Lab
E2M6: Halls of the Damned
E4M1: Hell Beneath
E4M6: Against Thee Wickedly
MAP11: Circle of Death
MAP29: The Living End

Worst

E1M9: Military Base
E2M3: Refinery
E2M9: Fortress of Mystery
E3M2: Slough of Despair
E3M8: Dis
MAP09: The Pit
MAP21: Nirvana
MAP30: Icon of Sin (edit: derp, forgot this one even existed)
MAP31: Wolfenstein
MAP32: Grosse

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just a little note, I don't consider MAP31 and MAP32 to be real Doom maps :v

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I agree with AD_79, those two doesn't even feel like Doom (especially for those of us who played Wolf3D before Doom), so I don't include them (and if I were to include them, they will no doubt be the worst of the 68...)

My list:

Best
E1M1 - Hangar
E1M7 - Computer Station
E2M8 - Tower of Babel
E3M2 - Slough of Despair
E4M1 - Hell Beneath
E4M9 - Fear
MAP03 - The Gantlet
MAP06 - The Crusher
MAP10 - Refueling Base
MAP17 - Tenements

Worst
E1M9 - Military Base
E2M2 - Containment Area
E2M4 - Demos Lab
E3M3 - Pandemonium
E3M6 - Mt. Erebus
MAP09 - The Pit
MAP12 - The Factory
MAP13 - Downtown
MAP16 - Suburbs
MAP30 - Icon of Sin

EDIT

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Best:

E1M2
E1M3
E2M2
E2M4
E3M6
E4M6
E4M2
MAP11
MAP23
MAP29

Worst:

E3M1
E3M9
E2M9
E3M8
E3M5
E4M8
MAP21
MAP30
MAP31
MAP32

You'd probably think I was a huge Doom 1 fanboy, but actually I like almost all of Doom 2 wheras the Doom 1 maps I didn't mention don't do much for me in comparison.

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Best:

E1M7
E2M5
E3M6
E4M2
E4M6
Map 09
Map 11
Map 20
Map 24
Map 29

Worst:

E1M9
E2M3
E2M9
E3M1
E3M4
E3M8
E3M9
E4M5
E4M8
E4M9

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Best from top (10th place) to bottom (1st place):

MAP04
MAP18
E1M9
E4M9
E4M2
E2M8
E1M4
E1M2
E2M3
MAP27

Worst (Ditto, 10th down):

E3M7
E3M2
E2M6
E2M5
MAP10
MAP09
MAP28
MAP19
MAP25
E4M4 (UUUUUURRRRRRRGGGGGG)

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in no specific order

*10 best levels

E3M3
E3M1
MAP06
E2M4
E2M7
E1M7
E1M6
MAP29
E4M6
E4M2

*10 worst levels

MAP09 (only four mentions so far)
MAP24
E3M2
E4M9
MAP01
MAP13
E1M9
E2M6
MAP10
MAP28

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Best:

E1M1
E1M2
E1M7
E2M2
E4M2
E4M6
MAP05
MAP15
MAP17
MAP18

Worst:

E1M9
E2M3
E2M7
E3M1
E3M5
E3M9
MAP13
MAP21
MAP22
MAP30

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best:
map10
map07
e2m2
e1m7
map13
map29
map27
map09
e4m1
e1m8

worst:
e3m5
map21
e3m1
e2m9
e2m5
map23
map25
e3m3
e4m7
e3m7

don't really feel that strongly about the worst maps, there's not many maps that are super terrible.

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In no particular order:

BEST:
-E4M2
-E1M5
-MAP29
-E3M3 - this is how E2 maps should've felt
-E3M6 - I like sprawling nonlinearity
-MAP19
-MAP04 - I like dark techbase levels
-MAP11
-MAP15
-MAP26

WORST:
-E2M3 - the most 'blah' map I can think of
-E4M4
-E3M1 - cool ideas, crappy execution
-E3M8 - less engaging than E2M8 in pretty much every way
-MAP30 -
-MAP05 - The reason I don't play Doom 2 levels continuously from MAP01
-MAP08 - cool the first time, gimmicky enough to ignore afterward
-MAP10 - the other reason I don't play Doom 2 levels continuously
-MAP21
-E2M6
-MAP27

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cheers
e1m2
e1m5
e1m7
e2m2
e2m5
e3m7
map11
map12
map16
map24

jeers
e2m3
e3m1
e3m2
e3m9
e4m1
map04
map07
map21
map23
map30

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Best (roughly in order):
MAP16: Suburbs
MAP13: Downtown
MAP24: Chasm
MAP08: Tricks and Traps
MAP27: Monster Condo
MAP14: Inmost Dens
MAP15: Industrial Zone
MAP02: Underhalls
E3M6: Mt. Erebus
E1M7: Computer Station

Worst (unorderd):
E2M3: Refinery
E2M5: Command Center
E2M6: Halls of the Damned
E3M1: Hell Keep
E3M3: Pandemonium
E3M4: House of Pain
E3M9: Warrens
E4M8: Unto The Cruel
E2M7: Spawning Vats
MAP30: Icon of Sin

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Hmm.....I'll probably change my mind about something 30 seconds after I submit the post, but what the hell.

Best
E2M6 -- Halls of the Damned
E2M2 -- Containment Area
E1M7 -- Computer Station
E3M6 -- Mt. Erebus
E4M6 -- Against Thee Wickedly
Map 27 -- Monster Condo
Map 24 -- The Chasm
Map 09 -- The Pit
Map 15 -- Industrial Zone
Map 16 -- Suburbs

Worst
E2M3 -- Refinery (worst of all)
E3M1 -- Hell Keep (damn close)
E4M4 -- Unruly Evil (also damn close)
E4M8 -- Unto the Cruel
E2M9 -- Fortress of Mystery
Map 31 -- Wolfenstein
Map 32 -- Grosse
Map 22 -- The Catacombs
Map 21 -- Nirvana
Map 07 -- Dead Simple


If you take the tack that maps 31 and 32 don't really 'count' somehow, I guess I'd substitute E3M8 and E3M9.

....damn, that was hard.

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Best:
E1M3
E1M7
E1M8
E2M4
E2M6
E4M6
MAP08
MAP10
MAP14
MAP22


Worst:
E2M3
E3M2
E3M7
E4M5
E4M7
MAP09
MAP12
MAP17
MAP24
MAP28

I think E2M3 is the only map I actually dislike.

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Good:
E1M7
E3M6
E4M2
E4M6
MAP11
MAP14
MAP15
MAP24
MAP26
MAP29

Bad:
E1M9
E2M3
E2M7
E3M1
E3M4
E4M5
E4M9
MAP25
MAP31
MAP32

I'm The Guy With The Gun:
E2M9

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Linguica said:

Hi, I have been thinking about a minor project, and to get help doing it / motivate me to actually do it, I would like to solicit people's opinions:


Were you planning to compile these lists, to see which ones get the most mentions in each category?

I like doing that sort of thing, but I'll ask so I don't end up wasting my time if you are planning to do it.

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Best

Tricks and Traps
Underhalls
Living End
Computer Station
Phobos Anomaly
E2M1
Hangar
Spirit World
Barrels O Fun
Mount Erebus

Worst

Citadel
Industrial Zone
Spawning Vats
Nirvana
Chasm
Limbo
E4M4
E4M5
The Factory
Suburbs

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Best

Phobos Lab
Slough of Despair
Hell Beneath
Perfect Hatred
Underhalls
Tricks and Traps
Refueling Base
Circle of Death
Innermost Dens
Abandoned Mines

Worst

Deimos Lab
Hell Keep
Unholy Cathedral
Dis
Industrial Zone
The Citedal
the Chasm
Icon of Sin
Wolfenstein
Grosse

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Compiling stats?

Best

E1M5
E2M4
E2M7
E3M7
E4M2
E4M6
MAP03
MAP08
MAP19
MAP24

Worst

E3M1
E3M2
E3M8
E4M1
E4M3
E4M4
MAP12
MAP14
MAP15
MAP17

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Best

E1M3
E1M5
E1M6
E1M7
E1M8
E3M6
E4M2
E4M8
MAP28
MAP29

Worst

E2M1
E2M3
E4M1
E4M7
MAP07
MAP19
MAP20
MAP22
MAP25
MAP27

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Best:

E1M1
E1M7
E2M2
E2M4
E3M5
E4M5
E4M6
MAP14
MAP17
MAP26

Worst:

E2M9
E3M2
E3M8
MAP08
MAP10
MAP12
MAP13
MAP16
MAP21
MAP23

edit: forgot D2 in the best list

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E2M3
E2M5
E2M6
E3M7
E4M5
E4M7
MAP09
MAP10
MAP15
MAP18

E2M9
E3M9
E4M4
MAP07
MAP11
MAP14
MAP21
MAP22
MAP31
MAP32

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Best:

E1M1
E2M2
E2M7
E1M4
E3M7
Map01
Map28
Map05
Map09
Map25

Worst:

Map13
Map21
Map24
Map30
Map11
E3M2
E3M9
E2M9
E4M3
E4M2

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