Most demanding wad for vanilla/chocolate doom?

AFAIK Eternal is the most demanding wad for vanilla. I want a wad that's more demanding than that, but without boom/zdoom etc effects - just something vanilla-like that I can try with chocolate doom on an older physical machine to see how far I can push it.

back to saturn X e1 and e2 are both designed for vanilla and push a lot of boundaries

Don't forget Suspended in Dusk.

BTSX E1 and E2

This. They are the pinnacle of vanilla-friendly complexity that also looks and plays great.

scifista42 said:

This. They are the pinnacle of vanilla-friendly complexity that also looks and plays great.

Isn't chocolate doom limit removing? Something that needs a limit-removing port, but doesn't use boom/zdoom effects, would be perfect.

Chocolate Doom is not limit-removing. There are forks of Chocolate, like Crispy Doom, that remove the limits, though.

Nuts is probably up there, as well.

Phobos: Anomaly Reborn? (I think that's what it's called)

chopkinsca said:

Phobos: Anomaly Reborn? (I think that's what it's called)

Vanilla?

I made a little technical exercise a while back on duplicating ZDoom with vanilla called Operation Hydra that might be of interest, if you don't mind the blatantness of it all.

AD_79 said:

Vanilla?

PAR is for Boom and uses some Boom effect such as transparency maps. The text file heavily recommends using MBF to play it.