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Don't Vote Gore! (I think this actully effect

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Guest Street

All of us.
I'm sorry if you don't agree to me posting this.. .

but also lets not forget the game that has been blamed for the colimbine shootings the most is DOOM.

Anyhow, I just got word that Gore's running partner.
Has promised if Gore is Elected PResident and he is put in Vice PResident.
He would do what ever he could to have Violent Video games, Violent Movies, Viloent TV shows and cartoons.
To be Banned From America.

I'm very pissed at this myself. I hate Bush but I hate gore more.
but I'm Voting For Ralph anyhow. i'd hope some would do the same. since Bush wants to make a new day called Jesus day. and then he wants to redenounce The Wiccan Religions and stuff.
once again I applogize if you care not hear about this.

But I still think this will effect us.. not to mention Gore would be elected before DOOM 3 is released.
cause his Vice President also mentioned the idea of a state burning of these games and movies.
He wants them out of every house in america.

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Guest Medieval Gnome

I WILL HANG ON TO MY COPY OF DOOM FOR AS LONG AS I LIVE!!!

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Actually, I hate all politicians.

Our government is just loaded with overpaid actors that do as they will with no care as to how it affects the rest of the world.

Dole didn't win because of his views on movies, Trainspotting in particular. Well, the country would've been much better off if he had been elected anyways.

Since Gore has a Jewish VP, that will make the highest office in our country that a Jew has ever had. The big thing right now is that people are worried that Gore is gonna be shot just so we have a Jew president. If that happens, the Jew's goin' down the next day. I know a lot of Nazis and ex-Nazis, and they just won't stand for that kinda shit.

Personally, I think Hulk Hogan should be president. Either him or Dexter from Cartoon Network.

It's not like any of our votes make a fuckin' difference anyways.

This country was bought and sold a long time ago.



As for some Goddamned communist fucking democrat trying to take away my gun, or my dirty movie, or my dirty video game, or ANY OTHER of my fucking rights let's just see the motherfucker come right to my door and take it.

They can have my shit when they pull it from my dead hand.

That's why we HAVE amendments for fuck's sake!

Leave us not forget that Jefferson himself talked about censorship based on a book that contained drawings of nudity back in his day. He said himself that he feels insulted that his american people would not be able to judge for himself what they can or cannot handle, and that censorship is unamerican.

Fucking A.

Leno, you like to laugh and say snipers wanted on Bush?

Fuck you, you cocksucking pinko bitch.

Fuck you, Rosie O'Donnel.

Fuck you, Barbera Streisand, giving Billy Bob Clittin' 10 million dollars.

Jesus, what's wrong with the world?

Snipers Wanted:
Please shoot Al Gore. Then we have a Jew president and some insane redneck from Alabama will shoot him too. Then what will we have? Don't know. Don't care. It can't be worse than any of those two scumfucks.

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Guest Street

Damn Right!
Thats what I'm talking about!

Bush is fucking Gay, Dumbass and a Jackass.
Gore is a Fuckedup, Looser, dumbass, Jackass.
That is how I see it at the moment.


I payed GOOD MONEY for my movie collection for christ sake!
and my video game COllection!

Hell damn You might as well fucking shoot me. Because there ain't no way anyone is taken my shit.
I think in ways if something like this happens. I might as well just move to Canada along with some others I've talked to.
we are very big patriots.
but taken these rights.. would be just going to far for me.

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Medieval Gnome said:

I WILL HANG ON TO MY COPY OF DOOM FOR AS LONG AS I LIVE!!!

Deadnail you are the man, I couldn't have said it better myself. It seems to me that a few of you don't like Bush, well I like him a lot and I think he can do great things. Like any other president we could have, we have to take a few things that we don't like about them and deal with it. Bush is the only one that is running this time that doesn't really want to control us and try to take all the guns from the American people. It seems to me that every politician is going for some degree of gun control, but it just looks like Bush is the man for the job.

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Guest Street

Here is something about the video game thing over at dailyradar.com

If you don't follow politics but you do follow gaming, you may know Al Gore's new running mate as the guy who wants to come to your house and take away your copy of Unreal Tournament, Soul Calibur and Age of Empires II. You may have been told Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman wants to ban anything more violent than Myst. Perhaps you've filed it in the back of your head that Lieberman is videogames' enemy number one. Maybe you've heard that Lieberman just plain hates gamers, the same way Bush hates the environment, Gore hates the rich and Buchanan hates Jews and blacks.
Of course, none of this is true. If you examine the public records of Lieberman's statements, you'll find a dramatically different picture from the one you've been sold since Columbine. Lieberman has been a consistent advocate of protecting children from violent entertainment. He is no opportunist. Long before people elbowed their way onto that crowded post-Littleton bandwagon, he was championing blocking software for parents, television ratings and the ill-fated V-chip. This has been his fight all along.

But it's difficult to get a clear picture of this fight. Gamers are a tiny group of people. As such, we love the idea that people are noticing us. We're happy to adopt a siege mentality because it means we're the center of attention. "Look, ma," we called out after Columbine, "they're talking about us!" We gathered on Usenet and in discussion forums to talk about how we were under fire. We wrote columns and things that looked like editorials. It was the closest to talk of war we were likely to know. Oh, for that sweet buzz of crisis they must have felt around American dinner tables in 1917, in Hollywood during the McCarthy hearings or in the halls of the National Endowment for the Arts after Mapplethorpe's exhibits!

But our situation is a pretty sad excuse for the dramatic. The extent of Lieberman's anti-gaming bent is a call for ratings labels. This is the same thing that led to histrionic accusations that Tipper Gore wanted to censor the music industry. This is the same thing that has been voluntarily in effect in the movie industry since 1968. This is the same thing you'll find on network television and before every episode of HBO's Sex in the City. It's fashionable to point out the primary responsibility for monitoring content lies with the parents -- Lieberman routinely says this -- but this is a weak argument against ratings. Even though the primary responsibility lies with the parents, what's wrong with the industry offering helpful guidelines? "Primary responsibility" is not synonymous with "sole responsibility." The Supreme Court has long upheld the constitutionality of keeping from minors materials that should be available to adults. No one complains that kids can't buy porn, so what's wrong with throwing in a little violence with our sex?

There have been allegations that Lieberman wants to ban violent games. The only basis for this is his oft-quoted comment in J.C. Herz's 1997 Joystick Nation: "After watching these violent video games, I personally believe it is irresponsible for some in the video game industry to produce them. I wish we could ban them constitutionally, or that the industry would stop making them." This strikes me as a statement of disgust rather than legislative intent. Of course, since then, he's made it clear that he has no interest in dictating content. His catchphrase "not censorship, but better citizenship" indicates that he's interested in voluntary compliance rather than government coercion.

But if Lieberman does indeed secretly harbor the draconian goal of banning violent games, he's been lying low. He has instead focused on making sure game companies aren't targeting children when they market violent games. After Columbine, he sponsored legislation that asked the Federal Trade Commission and Justice Department to investigate whether this was happening. He is rightly concerned that Toys 'R' Us, a store that caters to young children, carries "M" rated games. He is disgusted by magazine ads featuring gore-drenched chainsaws and people soaking in bathtubs of blood. Although 3Dfx's ads are a prime example of how little regard our industry has for good taste, this sort of trash isn't as widespread as it used to be. I think the only thing Lieberman may not understand -- indeed, something most nongamers don't understand -- is that just because our industry is often childish, it's not necessarily aimed at children.

The boldest measure you will find associated with Lieberman's name is the Media Violence Labeling Act (Senate bill 2497), which he co-sponsored with John McCain, which calls for an enforceable ratings system for violent content. You can find it by going here [http://thomas.loc.gov] and searching for bill S2497. The bill itself is pretty dry, common sense stuff, calling for a voluntary ratings system to be approved by the Federal Trade Commission. The most controversial aspect is the provision for possible fines up to $10,000 if someone can't demonstrate that they're trying in good faith to comply with the law. Of course, it's not a law; it's only a bill now, and it has been languishing before a Senate subcommittee for over a year. It's the sort of thing that's liable to be debated and hammered on before ever reaching a Congressional vote. Or maybe it will just quietly go away as game makerslabel violent content and retailers watch who they're selling to. There's no cause for underage Carmageddon fans to riot in the streets just yet.

Even if the bill becomes a law, cries of censorship are out of place in this issue, and they demean the impact of the word. If you want to see censorship, peek east of the Iron Curtain during the Cold War or look back at the rise of National Socialism in Germany. Read 1984. Try to buy a copy of Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses in Iran. Go to war and write a letter to your sweetheart describing where your unit is deployed and how much ammo it has stocked up. Ratings labels are not censorship, no matter how loudly people complain to the contrary. I would argue that although the United States has had its share of unwarranted persecutions, it has never practiced censorship outside issues of national security. But we like dramatic scary words to lend our fears weight and make people listen to us when we whine. We like the defiant spirit of rallying behind slogans like, "You can have my violent game when you pry it from my cold, dead, 14-year-old hand."

There are plenty of compelling reasons not to vote for a ticket with Lieberman -- say, for instance, you're a Republican -- but being a gamer is not one of them. Any claims to the contrary serve to illustrate how childish and poorly informed people with this hobby can be. No one is going to take away your games. Throw a hundred Columbines at the industry, and it will bounce back. Violent content is not going away. Bloodsport is as old as civilization itself -- it is the circus we want after we've eaten our bread. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be regulated. Children deserve to be protected, and men like Lieberman should be applauded for saying so, not vilified by gamers too dense to read past the headlines.



- Tom Chick

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Guest bubba smith

IM TYRED OF THES DAMNED LIBERALS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS!!!!!! if u cant see that liberals are trying to control us ur blind. Bush belives in freedom, he will be a gr8 man for president, gore sux hairy ballz. what more can i say?

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Guest BloodLustX

All I want are my video games and my fucking taxes lowered!

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deadnail said:

come on, America is not with as many morals as people
have thought it to be. the world (including America) has seen
our lack of morals thanks to Marilyn Manson, Bill Clinton,
and Howard Stern. Many people (including non gamers) just aint
gonna vote for anyone who wants to remove our violent movies.
and stuff. violence in movies sells, so movie makers and movie
lovers wont tolerate it.

Deadnail, i am glad to see you dislike rosie o'donnell and
barbara streissand. i think i know why - the same reason i do,
they dislike guns. well, if they dislike guns i wish they'd move
to a country in europe with laws like that than stay in a
country about entirely different things. they don't belong in
the U.S.A. it is a big compliment to me to see how much more
intelligent i am than these celebrities who don't deserve their
fame and fortune.

if these old geesers in the government fuck with my rights,
im moving to Japan. this country is getting crazier at an
amazing pace...i think our government is made mostly up of
inbred hicks or something.

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Street said:

you speak wisely and your thoughts make a lot of
sense. but still, any one who is opposed to guns pisses me off.
i dont think any civilian should have legal access to a nuclear
bomb, but a gun is fine. and why do we need ratings? why do
children need to be "protected" from violent games? i've played
them since i was 9 1/2 and i am a very nice dude. well,
i am a high-functioning autistic so maybe i am slightly as smart
as that guy in Rain Man. but actually, i think your right.
children shouldn't be playing something like Quake when they
are 3. age 7 or 8 would be good for that kind of stuff. until then, they can enjoy Zelda 64 or Mario 64 or Chrono Trigger
or something.

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deadnail said:

The reason this is a problem is because fucking parents aren't doing their fucking job. Look it is parents resposiblity to montior their kids. When the parents are too busy to look after their own god damn kids they either hire a baby sitter (who doesn't give a fuck what the child does as long as they get paid) or put their kids in front of the tv. Then couple of months later they wonder why the kids are telling their parents to fuck off or starts asking their mother if their father ate her out. Then they turn around the blame the media and video games and start bitching about them. When it is their own fault because they were stupid and got knocked upped when they were drunk and the guy was a fucking asshole. They don't relize the huge resposiblity a child is and take it for granted and see the child as a thing and not a person. My parents actually took responsiblity and looked after me and raised me right. All the imperfections and bad habits they see in me they don't blame tne media or games they blame themselves for not teaching me better when I was young. Remember this is government by the people for the people.

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I live in germany, where games like Quake, Kingpin etc. are censored. You only can get those games here when you are 18+, or get it from friends or download it, as usually. But that isn´t a problem at all, so don´t piss you off.
Everything that has to do with sex is already censored in US, that seems very odd to the most europeans :)

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bubba smith said:

IM TYRED OF THES DAMNED LIBERALS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS!!!!!! if u cant see that liberals are trying to control us ur blind. Bush belives in freedom, he will be a gr8 man for president, gore sux hairy ballz. what more can i say?

it dont matter for me because i live in Canada!hehehe,they dont care about that over here.

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Guest Street

Mac, One of my canadian friends would think your being Nieve to think that this wouldn't effect Canada.
cause remeber America are cloest ally's with Canada, There are biggest Trading Partners etc.

And he sees that yes it's true.
when something like this happens to america it does effect Canada.

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BloodLustX said:

All I want are my video games and my fucking taxes lowered!

U dont know taxes. In Denmark we pay up to 60% of our income.

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deadnail said:

You forgot to mention that prick Alec Baldwin.

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Street said:

People want to think that Liebermann took a stand against Clinton. This is a lie. He may have 'said' that he did the wrong thing. Anybody can talk...Do you people know how he voted on Clinton being impreached -- 'Not Guilty'.
Not to mention the simple fact that he has changed practically every opinion that he had to support Gore.
Also they talk about him being a true Orthodox Jew...
To let you know, Orthodox Jews are strictly against abortion unless it is to save the life of the mother...Liebermann is for partial-birth abortion (aka Infanticide).

Another thing to know:
The Clinton administration has manipulated the government by making Janet Reno as the Attorney General. This is because she has blackmailability. She has connections to the mafia in florida, the Wako incident, and a videotape of her having lesbian sex with a call girl. This has allowed clinton to control both the executive and judicial branches of government.

All the candidates are full of crap:
They are told what to say by analysts and assistants and none of them really have their own oppinions. If they do say their true opinion, if it isn't status-quo, they are chastized by the media.

Maybe the only candidate who will do anything right except for the fact that he is a total bigot: Buchanan, who wants to do the right thing and kick the United Nations out of the US and to restructure the power in the Judicial branch of government.

Don't forget Wako and Ruby Ridge...If this is the way our government is heading, then we have a serious problem.

Stop the MPAA!!! :)

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Street said:

Mac, One of my canadian friends would think your being Nieve to think that this wouldn't effect Canada.
cause remeber America are cloest ally's with Canada, There are biggest Trading Partners etc.

And he sees that yes it's true.
when something like this happens to america it does effect Canada.

oh ok sorry yeah i see what you mean now ok,all i can say for my american friends is DONT VOTE GORE FOR FUCK SAKES!!!!!!!!!!

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Guest Epiphany

I don't know what nationality a majority of people are who use this forum but for fuck sakes, leave your fucked up American politics bullshit out of here. All I know is that your system of government is unfair and corrupt and in the end you are going to get screwed anyway so just play violent games and watch violent movies while you still can.

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Guest Street

It has a great deal to do with DOom if you really look at it. Epiphany. Maby not for you.
but for us USA DOOM fans or who are waiting for Doom 3.
this will effect us very much.

anyhow DOOM has been the main target for Video Game bashing and banning since the stupid colimbine shootings.


This will effect you in another way too.
REMEBER that some of these company's are from America. and most of the money toward these companys (even out of the USA companys)
come from The USA.

we are tradding parteners with hundreds of countrys (Japan's game companys will be hit huge if america is no longer allowed to buy there violent games and anime's.)

so if america won't be getting Doom 3.
there is a huge chance that no other country will get to see it.

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bubba smith said:

IM TYRED OF THES DAMNED LIBERALS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS!!!!!! if u cant see that liberals are trying to control us ur blind. Bush belives in freedom, he will be a gr8 man for president, gore sux hairy ballz. what more can i say?

Umm...actually, consevitives are the ones who take away our rights (making Lieberman all the more bizarre). However, if you ask my opinion, they can all kiss my ass. Every single one of them. Gore has changed his opinions more times than Micheal Jackson has changed his color, Lieberman is a Jewish Neo-Nazi (ain't that a riot?), Bush doesn't know his ass from the hole in his head, and Chaney would gladly keep it that way for more power. Oh, and someone said that Lieberman never siad he wanted to ban games, just restict them. First of all, they're already resticted, and second, he has said very bluntly, a few years ago, "If there was some way I could constitutionally, I would." Christ, this guy is dangerous if he thinks this way. Unfortunatly, if he and Tipper (hate that bitch too) are both in high places together, us Americans can kiss our right bye-bye, because the monkey up Liebarman's ass makes him cranky.
Fuck 'em. I'm moving to Canada.

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There is an error in your thinking. You cannot legally ban violent games, nor can Bush make Jesus day and abolish any kind of religion.

Banning violent media is unconstitutional. Making Jesus day is unconstitutional if it is made a national holiday (freedom of religion). And nobody can abolish a belief. Religion is a belief. I could tell you that you cant think about Doom. Would you stop? Not if you didn't want to.

Those little tidbits about our presidential canidates is just BS. Gore's running mate couldn't do anything of what you claim. VPs do very little in Congress. So it's nothing to worry about

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mac-vile-whore said:

oh ok sorry yeah i see what you mean now ok,all i can say for my american friends is DONT VOTE GORE FOR FUCK SAKES!!!!!!!!!!

has everyone forgotten the Republican position on violence in media? They're the pioneers of banning violent games. Democrats are following them in order to compete for the parental vote

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Sabreclaw said:

There is an error in your thinking. You cannot legally ban violent games, nor can Bush make Jesus day and abolish any kind of religion.

Banning violent media is unconstitutional. Making Jesus day is unconstitutional if it is made a national holiday (freedom of religion). And nobody can abolish a belief. Religion is a belief. I could tell you that you cant think about Doom. Would you stop? Not if you didn't want to.

Those little tidbits about our presidential canidates is just BS. Gore's running mate couldn't do anything of what you claim. VPs do very little in Congress. So it's nothing to worry about

claw the presidents have given many cencorship to us the public.
remeber we are allowed freedome of speach. but its now illegal to talk about alot of things. also in some states we are not allowed to kiss more then 10 seconds.

I see that your just buying what you are told.
But yes they can ban games. They banned alot of other things did they not?

What about Joe Camal or what ever. who used to selly Cig's to children.
hehehe he has now been banned. IN are constitution. would this be allowed?

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Sabreclaw said:

There is an error in your thinking. You cannot legally ban violent games, nor can Bush make Jesus day and abolish any kind of religion.

Banning violent media is unconstitutional. Making Jesus day is unconstitutional if it is made a national holiday (freedom of religion). And nobody can abolish a belief. Religion is a belief. I could tell you that you cant think about Doom. Would you stop? Not if you didn't want to.

Those little tidbits about our presidential canidates is just BS. Gore's running mate couldn't do anything of what you claim. VPs do very little in Congress. So it's nothing to worry about

then that would mean that the B.C. and A.D. would have to be gotten rid of.

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Street said:

claw the presidents have given many cencorship to us the public.
remeber we are allowed freedome of speach. but its now illegal to talk about alot of things. also in some states we are not allowed to kiss more then 10 seconds.

I see that your just buying what you are told.
But yes they can ban games. They banned alot of other things did they not?

What about Joe Camal or what ever. who used to selly Cig's to children.
hehehe he has now been banned. IN are constitution. would this be allowed?

Censorships on speech only occur in times of war. About the kissing for no more than 10 seconds, that's state law. If your state has that law, and you find it unfair, take it to court.

Yes in our constitution, banning the selling of cigs to minors is allright. Same with alcohol. Banning the use of cigs or alcohol completely CANNOT be done (hence why the prohibition faled). States can ban all the media they want, but it can be challenged and taken away. The national government cannot band violent media completly. They can make it illegal to sell or show this media to minors, but it is unconstitutional to remove it completly.

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Captain Skippy said:

its actually society as a whole that is to blame.

You do have a point. Parents saying their kids are fucked up because of society are taking the easy way out. The problem is everyone wants to blame each other and no one wants to take the blame.

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Castlevania said:

Yeah, you're right. This country is made up of inbred hicks, as demonstrated by the fact that you and others are actually in favor of guns. What's up with that? I really can't think of any good reasons to own a gun, no matter how hard I try. Some want to hunt, which is barbaric and should not be part of our civilized world (and a lot of inbred hicks hunt), some think they need guns for protection, but guns take far more lives than they save (not counting wars), and some just think guns are cool or something, which starts to lend in to the fact that violent video games are messing up our heads, as much as it hurts to say this because I love DOOM so much. Even so, violent video games should not be banned, because it would violate our right to free speech. Sadly, many countries are more civilized than us, not having the death penalty, having health care for all, wanting to actually do something about the environment, and you'll just have to accept the fact that our country is going down the drain, and I really don't think there's anything anybody can do about it, because so many Americans are in favor of the things ruining America, and this is a democracy, so I think I'll just go sit back and watch the world collapse because of the idiots we put in charge. I think our best choice for president would be Ralph Nader, who actually wants to fix things, not just appeal to voters.

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