Russell_P Posted October 21, 2002 We know the Cacodemon was inspired by (ie almost completely copied from) the head of a monster that was on an AD&D manual. I was recently looking through a box of my old/ancient comics when I found a copy of a Ghost Rider comic. I have to say that Ghost Rider's head is identical to the Lost Soul. Another case of 'inspiration' on id's part? (apologies if this has already been mentioned in the past). 0 Share this post Link to post
Enjay Posted October 21, 2002 Hmmm, you could have a point. No horns though, and as I'm sure you know, the Doom Lost Soul evolved from something a bit less flamy. That's not to say the flames couldn't have come from Ghost Rider inspiration. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/6492/ghost_90.jpg and seeing as how that one is on Geocities, and could close down any second http://www.comicsetc.com/issue.cfm/issID/1123 Edit: ack the Geocities one can't be linked to directly. Heres the front page for it if anyone is really interested. http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/6492/ 0 Share this post Link to post
Kinsie Posted October 21, 2002 We all know the iD guys are major-grade geeks, so it doesn't suprise me. 0 Share this post Link to post
Little Faith Posted October 21, 2002 The Doom 3 demon (woof!) bears striking resemblance to the D&D monsters called canoloths (a kind of demon). It is described as a large hairless metal plated bulldog with no eyes. 0 Share this post Link to post
Enjay Posted October 21, 2002 A different picture of the "Caco" beast from the one we have all seen (I assume). http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MotP/Astral_Dreadnought.jpg and a Canoloth (left) http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MotP/Yugoloths.jpg 0 Share this post Link to post
maxspeed Posted October 21, 2002 I'm not sure but i think that there is something like cyberdemon in some Manowar stuff? in cd cover maybe? 0 Share this post Link to post
CyRaptor Posted October 21, 2002 The Spider Mastermind bears a striking resemblance to Krang from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. 0 Share this post Link to post
Shaviro Posted October 21, 2002 Enjay said:http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MotP/Yugoloths.jpg That one is a bit weak. 0 Share this post Link to post
Shaviro Posted October 21, 2002 CyRaptor said:The Spider Mastermind bears a striking resemblance to Krang from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Yes. And "Shredder" bears a striking resemblance to...gasp...Vader :) 0 Share this post Link to post
Xanthier Posted October 21, 2002 CyRaptor said:The Spider Mastermind bears a striking resemblance to Krang from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Yes, but less so in the picture you posted, more in other one's I've seen 0 Share this post Link to post
Xanthier Posted October 21, 2002 Shaviro said:That one is a bit weak. That's what i was thinking 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted October 21, 2002 I doubt the new demon comes from there... direct influences are much easier to see in DOOM and DOOM II that in DOOM III anyway. I'd say the biggest influence on the new demon is the old one, and in general, for DOOM III, it is Giger, sometimes directly and sometimes not. Not that D&D monsters cannot still be considered as an influence, but there's so many of those that it's easy to find something in one of them, even if there is no relation. As for the flaming skull, just watch Evil Dead II. At the start, as the background story is told, it'll show a laughing, flying skull. I thought of the Lost Soul right away, and we already know Evil Dead was highly influential. 0 Share this post Link to post
Naked Snake Posted October 21, 2002 Obviously, the inspiration of the Baron of Hell/Hell Knight was the Minotaur of Greek mythology. 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted October 21, 2002 I don't think so. The Baron is simply a balrog-type demon without wings. It is part goat-like anyway, if you want to relate it to a mythological creature a satyr would make more sense (although the end product does look more like a minotaur in having an animal head, but then again goat headed demons are very common anyway.) Note that if you want to go that far back for influences, animal headed beings are very common in antiquity, such as the many egyptian gods. 0 Share this post Link to post
Nanami Posted October 21, 2002 CyRaptor said:The Spider Mastermind bears a striking resemblance to Krang from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. C'mon, it's just a brain with a face and arms/tentacles. Not really like the Cacodemon copy, where everything from the eyes, horns, and lips are copied. Anyway, Krang went inside the stomach of a big baby-looking robot, not a four-legged spider pod. =P 0 Share this post Link to post
CyRaptor Posted October 21, 2002 Actually, Krang originally had a two-legged pod he sat in before he had the robot guy. But still, it's more of a stretch than the Caco. 0 Share this post Link to post
JavaGuy Posted October 21, 2002 I still think that the face of the new hell knight came from the brain bug in StarShip Troopers. See it for yourself. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ichor Posted October 21, 2002 Look at the movie Dreamscape. Near the end, there is a monster that looks almost exactly like a Chaos Serpent. 0 Share this post Link to post
Mordeth Posted October 22, 2002 Speaking of the Serpent... watch the movie Spawn. The Clown at one time transforms into an exact replica of the Serpent from Heretic / Hexen. 0 Share this post Link to post
Submerge Posted October 22, 2002 Yeah. Spawn rules. I think of violator when i see those chaos serpents. Yet the violator has more spikes. 0 Share this post Link to post
dsm Posted October 22, 2002 Submerge said:Yeah. Spawn rules. I think of violator when i see those chaos serpents. Yet the violator has more spikes. Spawn rules, the movie doesn't. 'Nuff said. 0 Share this post Link to post
DOOM Anomaly Posted October 22, 2002 dsm said:Spawn rules, the movie doesn't. 'Nuff said. Yea, I agree. Hehe his cape looks funny when its all over the place, heh so big too, its crazy. 0 Share this post Link to post
VileSlay Posted October 22, 2002 I always thought the caco looked like a beholder from ad&d, but seeing that astral dreadnaught pic says it all. 0 Share this post Link to post
skinpack Posted October 22, 2002 The Mancubus is directly inspired by Ronan Harris, what with the chub and grotesque arms and all. http://www.ekatieholm.com/images/bands/VNV%20Nation/chicago/ronan5.jpg 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted October 22, 2002 The Cacodemon IS inevitably inspired by the Beholder. Adrian Carmack (I suppose he made it) must have looked at the cover of the Manual of the Planes (or a 2nd Edition book with the cover painting in it) and said "hmm, I could use this monster's face as a beholder-like monster." That Dreadnought picture is based on that painting (which was originally unnamed, not a monster with stats and stuff, just a picture.) 0 Share this post Link to post
Little Faith Posted October 22, 2002 Slightly off-topic: Does anyone perchance remember how long an astral dreadnaught is measured from the head to the end of the tail? 0 Share this post Link to post
Fletcher` Posted October 22, 2002 skinpack said:The Mancubus is directly inspired by Ronan Harris, what with the chub and grotesque arms and all. http://www.ekatieholm.com/images/bands/VNV%20Nation/chicago/ronan5.jpg Heh, I needed a good laugh. 0 Share this post Link to post
Cacodreams Posted October 23, 2002 Enjay said:http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/M...Dreadnought.jpg :) 0 Share this post Link to post
maxspeed Posted October 23, 2002 maxspeed said:I'm not sure but i think that there is something like cyberdemon in some Manowar stuff? in cd cover maybe? Heh quoting myself. Now that i searched for this (Manowar: Hell on wheels, cd cover manowar.com). i found that it doesn't look very much like cyberdemon. 0 Share this post Link to post
kulma Posted October 23, 2002 Shaviro said:Yes. And "Shredder" bears a striking resemblance to...gasp...Vader :) and Krang looks awfully lot like...gasp...Yoda! :) 0 Share this post Link to post