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Sephiroth

something to do besides doom

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i have had an idea, though i am not much of a programer i would like to learn basic hacking ways that alow people into sites. both to protect my own site and just to know how it is done. such as getting around password protected part of a site, like many XXX sites and also how to prevent it. i have built sites before and had one hacked. also will i need to know html or memorise different command lines/codes to put on web pages. i have also become interested in this because soon i will be running a doom server

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And what do you mean by hacking?
There's hacking as in "exploiting really stupid designer's faults" (like password protection written in JavaScript, i've seen that once :)), and real hacking, e.g. fooling the server into thinking you're not who you are. How did you hack that site?

Doom servers have almost nothing in common with websites, and absolutely nothing in common with HTML.

If you're interested in WWW, get Xitami (a free, simple web server) or Apache (a free, very complex web server). Best of all, write your own :)

Still I don't see any single way how hacking sites can help you wth Doom.

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no i am just curious on the matter, i know fire walls do a good job protecting but i want to know warning signs. i used xxx sites as an example because they can be the most heavily gaurded sites

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Heh.I think XXX sites are harder to hack than the white house I bet.Heh.

Seems like you don't visit those places often. NetNanny's watching you?

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Heh.I think XXX sites are harder to hack than the white house I bet.Heh.

What, you mean whitehouse.com isn't a porn site anymore?

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What, you mean whitehouse.com isn't a porn site anymore?


not since clinton left.... and i doubt that monica lewinski is intrested in bush

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Most website cracks (this is not hacking) are done by exploiting security holes in the software run by the server. These are bugs in the software such as buffers which are not range checked. It is possible to write tools that carefully exploit the bugs in such a way that allows some cracker-specified code to be run. Because of this it is possible to gain whatever permissions the process you exploited has. On Unix systems such as Linux most servers such as web servers/ftp servers run as root, which is the top user with complete control over the system. Obviously if you can exploit such a server you then have complete control over the system.

Its important to know how its done if you're running a server but probably not something you really want to do yourself. Contrary to the Hollywood myth, there really isnt anything particularly clever about breaking into websites or computers, and most of the people who do it are immature teenagers who just download ready made exploits (cracking programs). If you want to make sure your server is secure, the best thing to do is to follow the security updates. Every now and then a new bug is found which could be dangerous, and it is important to install the patches to protect your system.

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If you're interested in WWW, get Xitami (a free, simple web server) or Apache (a free, very complex web server). Best of all, write your own :)

Writing your own web server is the worst thing you can do. Servers such as Apache have been around for years and so are proven to be secure and reliable, whereas if you write your own server you could easily make a mistake and introduce a security hole.

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I didn't mean "write your own web server and put a site up". I wouldn't advise that to anyone :). I meant, "write a server to see how it's done and how it works".

Even the process of writing a web-server that did nothing but sent "fuck you" on any request it recieved, increased my knowledge of WWW and the Internet by one hell of an amount (I think).

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