Compartmentalising for the sake of sanity?

just don't mix communists and people who thinks they are communists. also, stalin's ussr wasn't even a socialist country, and it was as far from communism (and marxism) as any other country out there.

socialism by itself cannot solve anything, it can only work as a precursor to communism, or degrade into bureaucratic totalitarism, if not handled right.

to make a long story short, most people who call themselves "communists" don't understand what communism is, don't understand what Marx wrote, don't understand why they should learn alot of things first, how Marx writings are connected to Hegel (hey, read at least "The Phenomenology of Spirit"!), don't understand why communism is absolutely not about "fighting for justice" or something, etc. please, don't put me into that crowd, i'm not with them. ;-)

what i meant is that i had thoughts like Doomkid, and wanted to find at least some answers. then i spent years searching and learning, rediscovered Marx for myself, and eventually became a communist.

i am usually not pushing my views on anyone (at least not directly ;-), because this has no sense. we don't need believers, we need understanding. "i believe in communism" is fuckin' nonsense, this is not some religious shit you should believe. and for most so-called "communists" communism is a religion, a sacred cow. this is not what it meant to be. at all.

but i think that this is not what Doomkid was asking for. i love to derail threads, but this is slightly too much, i think. ;-)

6 hours ago, ketmar said:

but i think that this is not what Doomkid was asking for. i love to derail threads, but this is slightly too much, i think. ;-)

You're right, but I find this conversation super interesting, so as long as the mods will allow it, I'm happy to keep reading what everyone here has to say.

7 hours ago, Gokuma said:

Now I see how awful, aggressive, dishonest, and totally 1984,  the new communists are in the US.   Slandering and doxing people, sometimes outright attacking, even people that are somewhat aligned with them but not far enough.   The middle ground is even their enemy.   Someone can be married to a Jewish woman and they will slander him as Nazi.   They really hate culture.    Bands can have absolutely none of supposed Nazi content or political bullshit they accuse them of and they'll dox them and make bomb threats to venues to shut down bands in their own country and make foreign ones cancel their trips.   Someone can be a half-Jewish gay guy married to a black guy and they'll slander him endlessly as a white supremacist.   You can't make that shit up.  A totalitarian agenda achieved by any means necesary however dishonorable or murderous.

I think it would be a very unfortunate mistake to lump all those who support "minorly socialist" policies (for lack of a better term) like taxpayer funded healthcare in with people who are waiting with baited breath to censor any and all opposition. Those who are eager to dox and smear represent a small minority of any given demographic, but (social) media outlets have a vested interest in making sensible socialist policies seem inherently linked with this "dox culture" crap even though no such inherent link exists - someone can find examples of it in any demographic they want to smear. They've done a fucking triple-whammy scam on the lot of us, if you catch my drift.

The insurance companies benefit bigtime from socialized medicine seeming inherently linked to the so-called cRaZy LeFt. It's no surprise that the insurance companies and media companies are consonantly jerking one another off behind the curtain. "We'll pay you money to promote content that makes this idea look stupid". This myth plays into their hands perfectly. Those who are benefiting from the status quo want to crush any and all efforts to change it, understandably. They don't want to take a hit to their bottom line.

Nothing against some socialist ideas.   Anytime the masses pay for a public benefit, it's socialism and exists in practically all government.

It's so rare to hear people say this, but I have no idea why. Taxpayer funded roads and infrastructure is fine, taxpayer funded school is fine, but suddenly and for no clear reason, taxpayer funded healthcare is the big communism. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever, to me. Of course, you've got the small minority of people who think no taxes/no socialism/flat out anarchy is the best method but that argument isn't even really worth having imo. It doesn't work, that's why we have governments.

Beware of the stick hiding behind false promises. (...) Beware of being locked into a ideology and unable to reassess it.

I 100% agree with these ideas, not just for this but for anything. I take a pretty cynical approach, so I'm pretty much always prepared for the ulterior motives to rear their ugly heads.

6 hours ago, ketmar said:

most people who call themselves "communists" don't understand what communism is, don't understand what Marx wrote, don't understand why they should learn alot of things first, how Marx writings are connected to Hegel (hey, read at least "The Phenomenology of Spirit"!), don't understand why communism is absolutely not about "fighting for justice" or something, etc. please, don't put me into that crowd, i'm not with them. ;-)

 

what i meant is that i had thoughts like Doomkid, and wanted to find at least some answers. then i spent years searching and learning, rediscovered Marx for myself, and eventually became a communist.

 

i am usually not pushing my views on anyone (at least not directly ;-), because this has no sense. we don't need believers, we need understanding. "i believe in communism" is fuckin' nonsense, this is not some religious shit you should believe. and for most so-called "communists" communism is a religion, a sacred cow. this is not what it meant to be. at all.

I'm really just quoting this because a like wasn't enough

It's nice being able to actually have civil conversation here.

Marx's criticism of end-stage capitalism or whatever excuse for it we have is totally valid.   That's how he ropes you in.   I used to look at USSR, China, Khamer Rouge, and think that's not real communism.   But more and more, it seems that supposed bastardizations really are in line with the real intentions of Marx and his elite friends.   Divide and conquer, herding people into opposite camps against each other.   Take everything and get a lot of people killed.   Wreck cultures that aren't their own.

These new communists in the US are totally set on making the exact same mistakes over and over.   Instead of going after the elites, they attack regular people.   And they shoehorn regular people into a villain role just for something to do.  I know people who have been harassed by "Antifa" who are real sick fucks actually aligned with pedophilia (a convicted leader and they can be seen holding a "No pedo bashing" banner.    Mostly they're incompetent and get their pathetic asses kicked a lot but they are screwing things up and screwing people over.   They're such liars that a guy who they called his employer and told he was nazi got to keep his job just fine, at a Jewish-owned company.   This garbage is way too close to home to just ignore them, while they act as total pawns of who they're supposed to ideally be against.   There's this one local guy who used to be alright, somewhat anarchist minded, somewhat communist, now gone full-bore communist and Antifa sympathizer if not actually Antifa and at the same time more devout Jewish which doesn't seem like one of the nicer sects of it.  He preaches all this communist and pro-Antifa stuff and stuff about supposed equality while at the same time calling people Goyim, Goyish, and "my gentile friends" (while he also whines about losing so many friends).   When he spread slander of a bunch of people being white supremacists lumped together with a KKK grand wizard, I pointed out that one is a half Jewish gay guy married to a black guy.   And he actually tried to justify it with that he called feminists fat.   He called an exgirlfriend "vaguely antisemitic."   And the guy's adopted so I don't know if he's even semitic at all himself!   Palestinians are actually a semitic people while a lot of other supposed semitics are just converts or descended from converts..   At least he's against Israel being totally literally nazi to them, though he never called them nazi.

With the great recession of 2008, people were finally taking notice of the high level bankers and sometimes the elite ones behind them.   So they had their propaganda machine kick up all the ridiculous identity politics BS hardcore and take the attention off themselves.   Elite bankers actually backed both the Bolsheviks and the Nazis, and had Japan nuked while they were already trying to surrender knowing they couldn't handle an oncoming two front war with the US and Russia.   They actually had FDR endlessly provoking Japan in the first place and letting Pearl Harbor happen.

With any system of government no matter how supposedly different, central control acting over too vast or distant an area, will always lead to tyranny.   What worked on the island of Cuba cannot work in a larger mainland country.   So I just say screw 99% of government whatever the system and politicians, and screw 100% of those pulling their strings.

1 hour ago, Gokuma said:

Marx's criticism of end-stage capitalism or whatever excuse for it we have is totally valid.   That's how he ropes you in.

actually, "Capital" is applying dialectical materialism to the then-current state of the society. some things were changed since, but the core issues are still the same. but most so-called "communists" know nothing about dialectical materialism (except, maybe, the words themselves ;-), so they cannot see the scientific method behind Marx work. that's why they're taking some part they like, and mixing it with some absolutely insane shit, and call that "communism".

1 hour ago, Gokuma said:

I used to look at USSR, China, Khamer Rouge, and think that's not real communism.   But more and more, it seems that supposed bastardizations really are in line with the real intentions of Marx and his elite friends.

i'd hardly call Marx and friends "elite". ;-) Marx struggled with poverty for his whole life, and Engels wasn't some rich fabricant people usually think about him; for a long time he worked as office clerk for his father to support Marx financially while Marx worked on his method and "Capital". they both were living the life of the people they were writing about.

as for "communist countries" -- this is oxymoron. there cannot be any government in communistic society. what we see instead is a sad consequences of replacing knowledge with faith. politicans in those countries are using communistic slogans (devoid of any meaning or understanding) to do exactly what you wrote. any tool can be abused, but it is not tool's fault, it is always people doing wrong things. it is quite hard to understand dialectical materialism, so instead of teaching people how to do it, and let people make their own decisions (what real communists would do), politicans just dumbed it down to several slogans and used it to cheat people yet again. that's why in any "communist/socialist country" the worst state enemies are those who understands marxism (like Trotsky was for Stalin). those are the only people who can see that the emperor is naked.

1 hour ago, Gokuma said:

These new communists in the US are totally set on making the exact same mistakes over and over.

not only there, sadly. any communist knows that people are equal. it doesn't mean that people have no differences, it means that all people have brain capable of thinking, and it is possible to tach anyone to think (i.e. it is about equal rights). there are no "inherently dumb" nations, or other bullshit like this. so communist cannot be antisemitic (or pro-jewish ;-), cannot be white supremacist, cannot think that women are inferior to men (or vice versa), and so on. if someone shares any of such bullshit, and calls themselves "communist", than they are not communists, plain and simple.

1 hour ago, Gokuma said:

Elite bankers actually backed both the Bolsheviks and the Nazis

yeah. after Stalin gradually removed any traces of conscious marxism from USSR ideology, USSR wasn't really a threat anymore, and it was handy to have USSR as a scarecrow for ordinary people. of course, the things were more complicated, but this is a really huge topic by itself...

1 hour ago, Gokuma said:

With any system of government no matter how supposedly different, central control acting over too vast or distant an area, will always lead to tyranny.

actually, any form of inequality will lead to this sooner or later. that is what basically communism is about: removing inequality. everything else is a stream of consequences.

In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.

this is exactly what it says on the tin: personal freedom and development is required for communism. if some people are working hard for some bright future, they first have to understand what they are doing, and why. it should be their informed and conscious decision, it cannot be some orders given by The Great Leader.

also, communism is not anarchism. they're close, but not the same. communists don't want to "destroy the state", we simply know that it will die by itself, because there is no need for state in an association of free and equal people. some parts of the govt machine can and should be used (in modified form) in transition process. this is what socialism is about, and this is why i wrote that it is a precursor to communism (if done right ;-). parts of that machine will gradually die by themselves, until there will be no more of it.

of course, we don't think that capitalist elite will simply go away. capitalism itself born with revolutions, and, sadly, we need a revolution to defeat it. but people should understand what they're fighting for, otherwise the revolution will simply change one capitalist govt with another. so our main task is to bring this understanding to people, and only then there will be revolution. and one of the hardest parts of that work is to explain that most nowdays "communists" aren't communists at all. i am not really good at explaining things, but i tried my best. maybe my words will help someone to stop blindly believeing, and start learning. at least i hope so. thank you for giving me the opportunity! and Doomkid, i am really sorry for turning this thread into political soapbox. but i just couldn't resist the temptation. ;-)

Most people (right now) aren't materialists, so they fail to make good arguments about the materialism of communism. 

I can see your intentions are good, Ketmar.  And we agree on a number of things.   I just personally will never trust the words of Marx.   I'm more concerned with preserving rights outlined in the Bills of Rights and otherwise in the Constitution, which was written to limit the now monstrous government thoroughly violating it.    The abusive state dies anytime soon, we can see how things go.  Maybe we can both agree on how the poseurs can go screw themselves.   I'd say you are really good at explaining things.

12 minutes ago, Gokuma said:

I just personally will never trust the words of Marx.

eh, you don't need to trust them. as i said, this is not what we need. ;-) and if you don't like to invest time into it -- it is perfectly ok for me, there cannot be any good in forcing people to do what they don't want/like to do. actually, trying to forcibly "convert" people is the best way to make them hate what you're saying. i tried to show that not all communists are batshit insane pricks, and i hope i succed at least a little. ;-)

12 minutes ago, Gokuma said:

I think maybe we can both agree on how the poseurs can go screw themselves.

yeah, this is something i cannot argue with. ;-)

I pretty much fit the ignorance is a bliss crowd. See no evil, hear no evil and know no evil. I love a good steak but I never want to meet the cow and so on.

The truth is, I know what's going on but I don't want to face it. These unpleasant truths as to Doomkids examples are emotionally straining and I can try to be very empathetic which is bad for my mental health or try do something to help and even if I invest majority of my life taking action (volunteer work, donate most of my goods to a cause, protest etc) it wouldn't even make a dent to the worlds problems and my life gets wasted unless I acquire enough self gratification from it.

I'm not proud of my stance but I feel quite justified.

Off the subject of whatever reasonable Communism debate...

Just to elaborate on Antifa in the US, though their presence in the US is more recent than elsewhere, because I should back up such ridiculous, unbelievable stuff with evidence:

EDIT:

A supposed Pedophile leader convicted but another article (I can't currently see) says he has avoided jailtime.
https://yournewswire.com/pedophile-antifa-leader-girl/

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2018/07/portland_protest_leader_micah.html

Did he screw an underage boy and an underage girl?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html?fbclid=IwAR3m_Z9gZfuKJTzx8UEY6qEscN-MzXSHHOinKMsNSjH6ItDEZzOTMoftzrQ&noredirect=on&utm_term=.3f06c4f3be36

Antifas busted getting set to shoot conservatives and all these mainstream "journalists" there won't touch it and keep their cameras off despite the police confirming the evidence, while they bust them.   Just note that gay or trans people here may not like the language of the guys who infiltrated and got them busted.   One of those busted happens to be trans.

Searching youtube for Antifa Exposed brings a whole load of things up.   They're basically everything they claim to be against, except obviously not conservative.

Antifas crack a liberal's head open because he had a regular American flag.
https://reason.com/blog/2018/08/21/antifa-portland-evan-welch-violence

EDIT: This one here is fake news!

Journalist given a brain hemorrhage by Antifa
https://nypost.com/2019/07/17/liberals-cheer-as-antifa-violence-escalates/?utm_source=facebook_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site+buttons&utm_campaign=site+buttons&fbclid=IwAR1Cx5ah8DbIZP6l7_RsQqkMzeR9ZQuFCFmnOKplTLDZGlco-2v0NOPlg2E

White Antifas yellowing no white supremacy and stuff at a black conversative!
https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/04/candace-owens-penn-college-republican-protest-antifa-philadelphia?fbclid=IwAR2svEI_PH08T0U4xE3dzzT944roMnPY0tXVdYk8WpVfKzi4H6P_2v6AoAg

EDIT: The following statement is disputed.

George Soros seems to be among those pouring funding into them while the mainstream media mostly stays quiet.

And there's this: EDIT: This screenshot of youtube is of fake Antifas pranking a group of them.

EDIT EDIT: Also try to ignore the most offensive word in existence in one of the corners.   DO NOT LOOK IN THE CORNERS.

I calculate it would be approximately 69% less offensive if I covered it with some textures from Wolfenstein.

A keen eye may be able to spot Waldo in the photo.

Also it is regrettable that this prank, while actually a really hilarious prank on them, becomes an awful dishonest framing when distributed out of its original context and I fell for that deception.   Didn't mean to sink to their level.

The whole way Antifa conducted themselves has always been a serious problem to me. The fact that they claim to be on the left is a giant albatross around the neck of the more progressive people out there. It sucks because any actually progressive minded people want nothing to do with thug violence. Claiming to be for a more peaceful and just future then turning around and committing acts like this is inherently contradictory.

They need to be called out for what they are and I'll never hesitate to do so. With that said, they are not as high in number as I've seen some right wing outlets claim. The MO is usually to associate any and all left-leaning ideas with thug violence, then point people towards the (unrelated) conclusion that insurance companies good, low corporate tax rate good, fossil fuels good, renewable energy only for pussies and other such horse shit. A lot of them are paid off, twerps like Ben Shapiro, Paul Joseph Watson and a few others. A lot of them just genuinely believe it.

3 hours ago, Gokuma said:

Journalist given a brain hemorrhage by Antifa

LOL, Andy Ngo is a known liar and fraud who hangs out with Nazis.

Unironically citing a photoshopped fake that was disseminated by Mike Cernovich to make his critics look like pedophiles doesn't reflect well on your research or conclusions here. You've entrusted your worldview to grifters who've turned your brains to mush.

edit: Ah, my mistake, rather than being a shop, the sign was actually made and carried by Cernovich's fans themselves.

Extremely good shit.

(My screenshot is from a Vice article, just picked at random from the results that came up from a google search for "cernovich protest hoax".)

actually, what makes me suspicious about "antifa" is that they don't have any constructive program. "no xxx", "no yyy"? ok. but where is something constructive? just asking people to not do what you think is wrong (or to do what you think is right, it doesn't matter) never worked on a big scale. if you want to change the society, find the root cause of what you don't like, and bring some constructive program that tells how you want to fix that root cause. otherwise you're just shouting your slogans without any real effect.

and if you only want some slogans, then please, go with hippies. "make love not war" is at least a little constructive in its first part (which i really like ;-).

imagine unironically linking to something called leftistcuck.com

Ah damn, I had no idea those two things were faked.   I never knew who Mike Cernovich was.  But the rest is true, isn't it?   The other stuff I talked about is.   And they still had a pedophile leader busted.

Imagine paying $2000 USD to hear Mike Cernovich rant about everything that's wrong with modern women. What a deal. 

https://22convention.com/

Well this went somewhere, personally i hate all 3 systems (capitalism communism and socialism) fuck em' all.

LOL, this description of Mike Cernobitch cracked me up:

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Mike Cernovich (born November 17, 1977), also known as "Weird Mike" or "Juicebro", is an alt-right talker with a plethora of stupid views. He has two main gigs: promoting conspiracy theories and whining about "weak" liberals. Before he became famous, Cernovich was a First Amendment lawyer who spent his time promoting MRA / internet tough guy views. Cernovich said many, many crazy things about women, rape, and transgender people which he has since attempted to delete. Fortunately, we've archived all of his often-sexually-explicit insanity for your viewing displeasure.

Since then, Cernovich has become famous for promoting conspiracy theories, often working with Alex Jones or Paul Joseph Watson. Ironically, Cernovich's lifestyle is only possible because he's supported by alimony from his rich ex-wife.
[...]
Cernovich was arrested for and charged with rape in 2003, but continues to denies the allegations, claiming he was "falsely accused."[5] The charge related to this incident was later dropped in favor of a charge for misdemeanor battery of a woman, for which he performed community service. His record has since been expunged

 

As soon a I see one of those talking heads on YouTube (or anywhere people go to consume media) peddling bootlicker/"status quo is fine" sorts of talking points, I smell a rat. In this case, a rapey one.

Not that I am pro-Antifa or anything, but right-wing media loves to have their boogeyman because it's such an effective tactic to reel people in. Most people get their ego wrapped up in it and then refuse to change their minds even when confronted with the facts, which is a damn shame.

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There have been multiple efforts to discredit antifa groups via hoaxes on social media, many of them false flag attacks originating from members of the alt-right and 4chan posing as members of antifa groups on Twitter.[108][109][110] Some of these hoaxes have been picked up and reported as fact by right-leaning media.[110][111][112]

These include an August 2017 "#PunchWhiteWomen" photo hoax campaign spread by fake antifa Twitter accounts.[113][114] In one such instance, Bellingcat researcher Eliot Higgins discovered an image of British actress Anna Friel portraying a battered woman in a 2007 Women's Aid anti-domestic violence campaign that had been re-purposed using fake antifa Twitter accounts organized by way of 4chan. The image is captioned "53% of white women voted for Trump, 53% of white women should look like this" and includes an antifa flag. Another image featuring an injured woman is captioned "She chose to be a Nazi. Choices have consequences" and includes the hashtag #PunchANazi. Higgins remarked to the BBC that "[t]his was a transparent and quite pathetic attempt, but I wouldn't be surprised if white nationalist groups try to mount more sophisticated attacks in the future".[108] A similar fake image circulated on social media after the Unite the Right rally; the doctored image, actually from a 2009 riot in Athens, was altered to make it look like someone wearing an antifa symbol attacking a member of the police with a flag.[115] After the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, similar hoaxes falsely claimed that the shooter was an antifa "member"; another such hoax involved a fake antifa Twitter account praising the shooting.[116][117] Another high-profile fake antifa account was banned from Twitter after it posted with a geotag originating in Russia.[109] Such fake antifa accounts have been repeatedly reported on as real by right-leaning media outlets.[110][112]

Some of the opposition to antifa activism has also been artificial in nature; Nafeesa Syeed of Bloomberg reported that "[t]he most-tweeted link in the Russian-linked network followed by the researchers was a petition to declare Antifa a terrorist group".[118]

 

The moral of the story is, those fat white dorks carrying tiki torches are literally a bigger threat to the stability of the nation. Which is pretty laughable in a sense, because they just looked so pathetic doing that shit. They're only a problem because of the unfortunately large and ignorant voting bloc they represent.

2 hours ago, Gokuma said:

But the rest is true, isn't it?   The other stuff I talked about is.   And they still had a pedophile leader busted. 

Against my better judgment I looked into the issue and wow, this was a trip.

We start with the article you linked. NEWSPUNCH: Where Mainstream Fears To Tread. Oh boy, exciting. Guy sexually abused minors, got it. Very bad.

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Rhodes, 24, who received funding from George Soros as part of the Antifa Portland Resistance group,

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It also didn’t stop George Soros from pumping millions of dollars into the movement.

Wait... what? Baxter Dmitry, author of the article, is dropping some heavy bombs about the leftist paedophilia terrorist deep state sponsor, George "The Jew" Soros. Let's google Baxter real quick. Oh look, a wikipedia hit.

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NewsPunch is a Los Angeles-based fake news website known for spreading conspiracy theories and political misinformation peddling fake news, mixed in with real news stories.

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A 2017 Buzzfeed News report identified NewsPunch as being the second-largest source of popular fake stories spread on Facebook that year,[5] and a June 2018 Poynter analysis identified NewsPunch as being debunked over 80 times in 2017 and 2018 by Poynter-accredited factcheckers such as Snopes, FactCheck.org, PolitiFact, and the Associated Press.[6]

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Regular contributors to NewsPunch include Adl-Tabatabai, a former BBC and MTV employee from London previously employed by professional conspiracy theorist David Icke[13], Adl-Tabatabai's mother Carol Adl, an alternative health practitioner, and Baxter Dmitry, who had previously been posing as an unrelated Latvian man using a stolen profile photo.[14][15]

Ohhhhh. Welp, time to find if there's anything true about it at all. Let's check the Oregonian, since it's been mentioned by the conspiracy peddlers.

Portland protest leader Micah Rhodes avoids prison for sex abuse

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Rhodes was 20 and 21 at the time of his crimes, in 2014 and 2015.

 

In March, Rhodes pleaded guilty to two counts of felony second-degree sexual abuse for at least twice having sexual contact with a 17-year-old boy. Investigators say Rhodes met the boy on a gay dating app, and the contact happened in Gresham and Troutdale.

 

Days earlier, a Washington County jury had found Rhodes guilty of second-degree sexual abuse of a 17-year-old girl. A defense memo said the contact happened after the girl went to watch a movie with Rhodes at his mother's house.

 

Age of consent is 18 in Oregon, so he was found guilty, but only got probation, because nothing about the case was "egregious" to constitute statutory rape. The article you linked, however, uses "pedophile" in the headline to set the tone, then omits to give any ages and does NOT use the p-word again. Coincidence? Yeah, right.

To reiterate:

• You veered wildly off the debate about communism, because you felt the need to whine about leftist violence and antifa. (I wonder why.)
• You amplified bullshit by known liars and alt-right propagandists Mike Cernovich and Andy Gho and then claimed you had no idea who they were. (I don't believe you.)
• You tried to link antifa to pedophilia with an article from a known fake news site that grossly twists facts of one specific case. (Nice smear tactic.)
• You inserted a screenshot of something called "leftistcuck.com", are you even for fucking real?
• And finally, you wrapped your bullshit with a bow by claiming George "The Jew" Soros is behind everything.

So yeah, I bet the rest is true and you're just being concerned here.

I had no idea who Mike Cernovich or Andy Gho or Ngo is.   That's the truth.  You say otherwise, then you're a liar.   

So far one known fake article and one picture of a prank got mixed in with my sources.  

Leftistcuck.com real small happened to be pasted on the corner of a real photo of a faked prank.   I took that screenshot of youtube while the video paused at that frame.   I've never been to that site and it was already pasted in the corner of that frame.    That term really sets people off, huh?

Nice pecking party we got here defending a real screwed up group.   Look at all the other shit on them.   Search Antifa Exposed or make other searches on them and see everything that comes up.   They're still a really totalitarian screwed up group.

I can't see the article about the supposed pedophile avoiding jailtime without disabling an adblocker.   What does it say?

Is George Soros not funding them?   He's an influential billionaire.   He's funding things.   So is he funding Antifa or not?   Let's get to the bottom of that.   I'm editing my previous list of supposed evidence as anything is disproven.

2 hours ago, Gokuma said:

Nice pecking party we got here defending a real screwed up group.   Look at all the other shit on them.   Search Antifa Exposed or make other searches on them and see everything that comes up.   They're still a really totalitarian screwed up group. 

Antifa Exposed sounds like there might be nudity and that would get me in trouble at work, so instead I searched for "Antifa Puppies" and got 3 Arguments Why Marijuana Should Stay Illegal (Reviewed) and Mother Dog Elated After Reunited With Her Puppies, thanks for the suggestion, it opened my eyes.

2 hours ago, Gokuma said:

I can't see the article about the supposed pedophile avoiding jailtime without disabling an adblocker.   What does it say? 

Then disable the adblocker. Or read the excerpt from the article that I already provided in my last post. Are you going to keep using the word "pedophile" even after you've been informed it was a 21 year old having sex with a 17 year old?

2 hours ago, Gokuma said:

Is George Soros not funding them?   He's an influential billionaire.   He's funding things.   So is he funding Antifa or not?   Let's get to the bottom of that.   I'm editing my previous list of supposed evidence as anything is disproven. 

That's not how it works, honey. You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. Until then it's just it's just your wild claim playing into rightwing anti-semitic conspiracies about Soros. We're waiting.

Is Antifa REALLY a thing though? I remember some videos in the mid 2000's early 2010's, of some sad/silly protests and staged events in Germany or Sweden (nothing violent, but stuff like dressing up as nazis and doing a satirical trial on a metro), and bystanders going "what is this" "oh it's probably Antifa". I would wager that angry Americans were inspired by those videos, did 5 minutes of wiki research on what some bystander thought the protester group was, and started a Facebook group under its banner, or some equivalent megaphone. Then the megaphone is just tapped when tensions are high to let off some age ~17-25 steam

(sidenote: youth hooliganism/mild rioting/whatever you call it, used to be a common thing in the U.S. prior to high resolution security cameras and militarized police forces. Flipping cars over after the football game or vandalizing the mayor's house on halloween, or getting into a barbrawl and so on. My point is that the age group is ready to go with angst and curiosity about their strength, and there's been a ~20 year long void where youths haven't been able to vent it because security is too good now. So it seems like some new and shocking behavior after such a gap)

And then the "movement" completely misunderstood by journalists, exactly like "Anonymous" or "Occupy Wall Street", where it's really just an open forum where anybody can chime in and try to tap the audience to mobilize against some target. The individuals have no charter or common goal and have never met eachother etc. Any official chapter deserves intense eyerolling... "Antifa Headquarters 100% Official We Promise Please Donate Here's Our Paypal Page".

Citation needed I know, but I've never been and continue to be uninterested in actually unraveling these youth movements, when I need to focus on making enough money to not be living under a bridge.

5 hours ago, Gokuma said:

Nice pecking party we got here defending a real screwed up group.

Literally nobody has even done this in this thread. Go back and read the comments above and you'll see I'm right. You derailed the thread with a bunch of misinformation about something nobody was even talking about, and because you've been called out on it you're trying to claim people are "defending antifa". It's certainly looking increasingly difficult to believe that you're genuinely interested in any good faith discussion or debate.

Uh... how did we end up derailing from "staying sane in an insane world" to Antifa?? 

2 minutes ago, seed said:

Uh... how did we end up derailing from "staying sane in an insane world" to Antifa?? 

It doesn't matter what it is you're talking about. Everything has a way of connecting itself to either Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton or George Soros. 

wat

Don't forget Epstein, the CIA, The Reptilians, 5G, Fukushima, Google, Drones, Replicants, Abductions and probe installation.  And whatever jackass currently sits in the oval orifice!

Those with money with power are never pulling strings and messing things up to take attention off themselves while they profit from all kinds of things, eliminate rights, and, seize more power.  Nope nope nope.   I'll look up more on Mr. Immunity From Criticism Shield Soros later.

Anyway yields of a simple search regarding stuff I was talking about earlier and why Antifa is pissing off more and more people.

https://www.dogpile.com/serp?q=Antifa+threatening+venues

Was that convicted Antifa leader in fact a leader?   About the whole thing he's convicted, however the story veered into opinion and conspiracy (no such thing as that nope), it was based on some facts and nothing really absolves the guy.   We don't know if these teenagers were very mature and older looking or if they looked like younger kids.   The fact it's not one but two counts makes it harder to give the benefit of the doubt.   Seems like it was at least consensual though there's the question of minors being manipulated.  And by no means should the teenagers be dragged out into things anymore.  Him being antifa doesn't help.   And if he's in fact a leader they should have been squeezing all kinds of information out of him while in custody while his organization makes terroristic threats.   Despite some agencies and authorities designating them as a terrorist organization, there seems to be some hand at work keeping much of them out of hot water.   Well here's one stick-wielding fool who ventured into hot water by himself, LOL: https://twitter.com/BasedPoland/status/1197894502758912005  He's lucky that guy (who was unarmed) took it relatively easy on him.   Calling them ecoterrorists or extinction rebellion is giving them too much credit and associating them with people who don't want to be associated with them.   I think the rifles that one group was busted planning to shoot people with are some pretty expensive stuff.   I wonder how they scraped that together while they act rather unemployable.

During the whole civil talk about whatever Communism is supposed to be or not be or whatever, I was talking about these scum trying to enact their twisted form of something that I'd glad to see more reasonable Communists totally disown.   No need to suddenly jump in and totally lay an egg over it.   The elites are laughing while the peasants fight each other regardless of who's a pawn and who's not.

Have you forgotten to take your meds, grandpa?

I just try to think that the only thing we can do as human beings is to contribute to progress whenever possible. Technology is constantly progressing towards a future where all of humankind can live happier and healthier. One day, we might actually solve some of the problems facing the world such as world hunger, slavery, wars, and other important issues facing humankind.

For the time being, we simply dont have the technology to help a lot of third world countries and we still have a lot of corruption in our own government, hell, theres actually still a lot of immoral beliefs that are common in society right now. Just look at our president, and how many people support or him. Or the number of transphobic people in the world today. My point is that the world and society in general is just really fucked up right now, the best that you or I could do is to simply stand up for what is right whenever possible, and hope that as time goes on society and technology will progress to the point where these problems dont exist anymore. 

1 hour ago, Adahn said:

One day, we might actually solve some of the problems facing the world such as world hunger, slavery, wars, and other important issues facing humankind.

Funnily enough, all of these problems could be solved right now, without any new technology.