WowozuelaSpammer Posted April 4, 2020 I've read the infamous WADS list, and i see that a Doom level generator (I think it's called "Sliege") is in it, so, i wonder, is Oblige banned too? 0 Share this post Link to post
TheNoob_Gamer Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) They are both banned on the /idgames archive. No one can stop you from sharing lazy procedurally generated maps to Doomworld otherwise. No, I am NOT implying Oblige to be bad. In fact, it's actually good, especially when you run out of WADs to find or play. The procedural generation get really obvious after a while, though. Edited April 6, 2020 by TheNoob_Gamer 6 Share this post Link to post
Redneckerz Posted April 4, 2020 OBLIGE maps are indeed forbidden. I do believe rules to the exception exist, when these maps are significantly altered. But by default, just make an original map, and use OBLIGE for inspiration regarding enemy, item placement and level structures. 1 Share this post Link to post
versionfiv Posted April 4, 2020 oblige is antithesis to all the values of these original idsoftware games, a total heresy 0 Share this post Link to post
Agentbromsnor Posted April 5, 2020 I never understood the appeal of uploading a OBLIGE map as your own... Why bother putting such little energy into your submissions? Game mods are supposed to be a display of creativity (at the very least), so why bother with this, especially when most OBLIGE submissions will be caught in like two minutes or so? I seriously lost track of the amount of newly registered users going: - "Here's my first completed map." + "No it's not, this was generated with OBLIGE." - "Sorry, you got me." + "Please don't do this again." 9 Share this post Link to post
cambreaKer Posted April 5, 2020 13 hours ago, versionfiv said: oblige is antithesis to all the values of these original idsoftware games, a total heresy no. just no. 7 Share this post Link to post
versionfiv Posted April 5, 2020 2 hours ago, cambreaKer said: no. just no. i mean, fans of k-pop are walking around out there too. there's always gonna be people who respect prefabricated slop paraded around as art, you be you. 3 Share this post Link to post
Kaiser_Wilhelm2 Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) I like oblige and slige I find it fun to play around with. I like seeing what the computer can come up with. I don’t see the problem using oblige as a basis for a map. I’m trying to conceptualize how much would be new content for it to be acceptable to me as new content. 0 Share this post Link to post
Kaiser_Wilhelm2 Posted April 6, 2020 14 hours ago, versionfiv said: i mean, fans of k-pop are walking around out there too. there's always gonna be people who respect prefabricated slop paraded around as art, you be you. how is oblige being paraded around as art. Part of the fun of doom for many people is just the mindless ass kciking fun that it generates. I don’t see how oblige is this horrific antithesis to doom mapping besides a person generating code for harmless entertainment. 2 Share this post Link to post
Tetzlaff Posted April 6, 2020 Wasn't there a wad project that used Oblige levels as a base and then turned them into interesting levels in a creative manner? Not to defend Oblige, just as an example that you can be creative with anything. 0 Share this post Link to post
cambreaKer Posted April 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, Tetzlaff said: Wasn't there a wad project that used Oblige levels as a base and then turned them into interesting levels in a creative manner? Not to defend Oblige, just as an example that you can be creative with anything. i think that was slige 0 Share this post Link to post
xvertigox Posted April 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Tetzlaff said: Wasn't there a wad project that used Oblige levels as a base and then turned them into interesting levels in a creative manner? Not to defend Oblige, just as an example that you can be creative with anything. Oblige doesn't need to be defended - it's a fantastic program. People uploading the maps as their own is just silly. 9 Share this post Link to post
Tetzlaff Posted April 6, 2020 1 hour ago, cambreaKer said: i think that was slige Do you have a link? It was an interesting project. @xvertigox: Yes, I should have been more specific. A great program to generate levels for yourself, but of not to be released as your own work. 0 Share this post Link to post
cambreaKer Posted April 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, Tetzlaff said: Do you have a link? It was an interesting project. https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/a-c/aslgeup 1 Share this post Link to post
Pegleg Posted April 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Tetzlaff said: Wasn't there a wad project that used Oblige levels as a base and then turned them into interesting levels in a creative manner? Not to defend Oblige, just as an example that you can be creative with anything. 3 hours ago, cambreaKer said: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/a-c/aslgeup More recently than that, there was a community project named "Obligatory" that started sometime in 2018, I think. Unfortunately, with the search function being down, I can't link to it. From what I recall, the plan was to have 32 Oblige-generated maps that were then revised and "fixed" to have better flow, encounters, etc. I think it ended up getting something like 4 or 5 maps, but was never officially cancelled. I don't know if it made it on to Stormcather's thread of "Abandoned and Cancelled Community Projects" (which I also can't link to, on account of the search function being down, so I would have to comb through hundreds of pages to find it). 2 Share this post Link to post
Tetzlaff Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) Thanks cambreaKer and Pegleg! Yeah, it's about time the search function gets fixed. 0 Share this post Link to post
cambreaKer Posted April 6, 2020 30 minutes ago, Pegleg said: More recently than that, there was a community project named "Obligatory" that started sometime in 2018, I think. Unfortunately, with the search function being down, I can't link to it. From what I recall, the plan was to have 32 Oblige-generated maps that were then revised and "fixed" to have better flow, encounters, etc. I think it ended up getting something like 4 or 5 maps, but was never officially cancelled. I don't know if it made it on to Stormcather's thread of "Abandoned and Cancelled Community Projects" (which I also can't link to, on account of the search function being down, so I would have to comb through hundreds of pages to find it). here's the link for obligatory thread 2 Share this post Link to post
esselfortium Posted April 6, 2020 I think Slige was just on the infamous list because there were some incidents back in dinosaur times involving dumb kids trying to claim Slige maps as their own work and making asses of themselves about it. There's nothing wrong with level generators themselves, but the air was thick with Drama back then. 8 Share this post Link to post
CyberDreams Posted April 7, 2020 9 hours ago, esselfortium said: I think Slige was just on the infamous list because there were some incidents back in dinosaur times involving dumb kids trying to claim Slige maps as their own work and making asses of themselves about it. There's nothing wrong with level generators themselves, but the air was thick with Drama back then. Pretty much this (at least from what i've read anyways). Like everyone else said they are forbidden to upload to the archive. Also to my knowledge SLIGE isn't as advanced of a generator as OBLIGE is. I've never actually used either of them although i have played a few OBLIGE maps in the past that have been posted here as well as the auto generated SLIGE maps that are posted here daily. 2 Share this post Link to post
WowozuelaSpammer Posted April 7, 2020 Now i think about it, a place in these forums called something like "Auto generation" where people could share their Oblige/Slige generated WADS could be nice 1 Share this post Link to post