You Sure Do Got A Purty Hellmouth

Team Mamtech (mammaries?) has been working on a new project called Hellmouth. The project was started in January, and it is a Doom Legacy based partial conversion. One of the cool things about this project is that they have taken a couple of the weapons from FreeDoom and are planning to modify them to suit their conversion. That seems like a good idea to me. They already have a bunch of work done but they are still looking for new team members if any of you care to sign up.

Legacy Legacy Legacy! All I hear is Legacy! C'mon, how bout a ZDooM news post? :d

i dont know, i prefer zdoom but i just post the news that comes in :P

man legacy would be so cool if it weren't for it crashing every 5 mins for no apparent reason.

segfaults are fun.

Cyb said:

man legacy would be so cool if it weren't for it crashing every 5 mins for no apparent reason.

segfaults are fun.

Corrupted savegames too.

Cant say much about zDooM

IOW, Legacy would be good if it didn't suck :P

man legacy would be so cool if it weren't for it crashing every 5 mins for no apparent reason.

Have you even played Legacy lately?

IOW, Legacy would be good if it didn't suck :P

Same could be said about ZDoom. ;)

Rellik said:

Have you even played Legacy lately?

Yes I played one of ebola's maps a few days ago. I liked the true 3d and translucent water and all the other neat stuff, but I couldn't run it in opengl without it crashing and when I ran it in software it randomly crashed a few times with a segfault error before I got tired of it. I haven't come across another port that does that as much.

Were it not for that fact I would like legacy a lot more, but as it stands I'd rather use zdoom or prboom.

Ah let's see, Legacy, how do I love hate thee:

not necessarily in any order

• (re)sets the windows wave input volume control
  
• rocket trails are butt-ugly, no way to disable
  
• unstable as fuck, especially when used with the "new" features (which may be as much as 2-3 years old)
  
• sound code stinks, "-ds3d on" isn't a full fix and I shouldn't have to do it every time I run Legacy
  
• configuration options suck, inconsistent and incoherent (some options and bindings aren't saved, bug workarounds status such as ds3d are not saved, no clear organization of console commands, etc)
  
• lah de lah
  
• lah de lah #2
  
• lah de lah #3
  

In other words Legacy is the buggiest piece of shit I've ever had the misfortune to lay my eyes on, and that includes Creative's SB Live! drivers and WinAMP 3.

configuration options suck, inconsistent and incoherent

Would help if you werent illiterate.

Maybe you should use the stable version and not the betas. Legacy runs like a dream on my pc, it rarely ever crashes, even if the maps using 3d floors and what not.

The last stable version I've worked with was 1.24 or something. In any case, it's in the mists of pre-history now.

Hooray for Port Flaming Forum Posts!

Good Things about Legacy:
-3D Floors
-Fragglescript
-3D Lighting
-OpenGL
-Dynamic Lights
-etc.

Good Things about ZDoom:
-ACS Scripting
-Slopes
-Hexen map format
-Particles
-etc.

This should be interesting. Hellmouth that it.

And will somebody update Legacy with a stable, un-sucky, un-buggy version please?

AgentSpork said:

Hooray for Port Flaming Forum Posts!

Good Things about Legacy:
-3D Floors

Introducing some more hideous bugs, outlined on the sourceforge bug report lists, which I won't go into in depth, but I'm sure you know of them

-Fragglescript

which is so buggy neither fraggle nor quasar recommends their usage

-3D Lighting
-OpenGL
-Dynamic Lights

hello mcfly, zdoomgl

-etc.

Good Things about ZDoom:
-ACS Scripting
-Slopes
-Hexen map format
-Particles
-etc.

Bah, who needs 6438714327236 choices of ports?


Let's just get the best features and mash them all together in to one, and call it ÜberDoom or something and develop for it. We'll make it easy to make mods for it, and it'll have all the things that already exist.


And no, this does not refer to Freedoom.




(OR...)
http://www.doomworld.com/skulltag/


(^)_(^)

LOL, Arioch the last version you played was 1.24, yet the current version is 1.40. Isn't that like me saying ZDOOM sucks cuz the version released 3 years ago didn't run right?

Am I gonna start crying because ZDoom doesn't work right on my comp? No, because what happens on my comp doesn't mean that it does that on everyone's. Just to be clear, ZDoom actually does bomb out fairly often on me. 4 times before I could get through that super cool RTC3057 demo jobby.

I very very seldomly have problems with Legacy crashing, I can't even remember the last time it did.

And like I've said before, the reason not a lot of progress is seemingly being made is because the entire engine is being ported to C++.

Jesus Christ this whole infantile ZDoom vs. Legacy arguement is getting so tired. I got a question: Why is it that Legacy people don't sit around complaining about ZDoom, but a fairly large number of ZDoom people complain about Legacy? Do you find it threatening? Do you have nothing else better to do? Are you so sad and pathetic the only way you can feel better about yourself is by ripping on a port of a decade old game engine?

It's still like two nerds arguing about who's got the cooler protractor....

I don't actually even take the side of a port. ZDoom and Legacy are equal in my opinion. But then again, this is all opinion. There is no FACT that Legacy is better, or ZDoom is better, or any other port is better.

Rellik said:

LOL, Arioch the last version you played was 1.24, yet the current version is 1.40.

wrong.. he said 1.24 was about the last time he remembered it being stable, he even put it in bold italics

I got a question: Why is it that Legacy people don't sit around complaining about ZDoom, but a fairly large number of ZDoom people complain about Legacy?

maybe,.. just *maybe*, i'm going to ask you to step outside of your personal opinion for a minute. *maybe* more people have problems with legacy than zdoom.

i'm sorry for throwing out such a crazy hypothesis, i know i must sound like a nut.

Rellik said:

Am I gonna start crying because ZDoom doesn't work right on my comp? No, because what happens on my comp doesn't mean that it does that on everyone's. Just to be clear, ZDoom actually does bomb out fairly often on me. 4 times before I could get through that super cool RTC3057 demo jobby.

I've heard a LOT more complaints about Legacy crashing than ZDoom. Not to say ZDoom is without crashes, but I played one Legacy map for a couple mins and it crashed four times. I don't think ZDoom has crashed that much on me in the last month, and that includes crashes I induce on it via editing errors.

I very very seldomly have problems with Legacy crashing, I can't even remember the last time it did.

You are very lucky then. Or trying to prove your point.

Jesus Christ this whole infantile ZDoom vs. Legacy arguement is getting so tired. I got a question: Why is it that Legacy people don't sit around complaining about ZDoom, but a fairly large number of ZDoom people complain about Legacy? Do you find it threatening? Do you have nothing else better to do? Are you so sad and pathetic the only way you can feel better about yourself is by ripping on a port of a decade old game engine?

Persoanlly I don't have a problem with any ports. The people who made them did so on their own free time and ask for nothing in return. However, there is a wide range of choices, and thus I'm going to want to use the one I feel is the most stable as I tend to avoid programs that crash.

Also you should listen to what mewse said.

Zdoom can't handle demos properly, that's about the only bad thing about that.


I use Jdoom for eyecandy (though I hate the laborious loading of pwads and .ded's).

maybe,.. just *maybe*, i'm going to ask you to step outside of your personal opinion for a minute. *maybe* more people have problems with legacy than zdoom.

And *maybe* more people have problems with ZDoom, you just don't have any hard proof, nor does anyone. *Maybe* Legacy users are just looking for a fair shake, but *maybe* that's asking too much of some people.

You are very lucky then. Or trying to prove your point.

When all other arguements fail, just call the guy a liar.

So why not just change the name of this site to ZDOOMWORLD? I know that the site is heavily slanted in that direction and that's fine, but what's the point of anyone sending in news for anything but ZDoom if it's just going to get shit on?

I dunno about you but I'm backing up my claims with facts and examples, and you sit there and make personal attacks. :)

Rellik said:

And *maybe* more people have problems with ZDoom, you just don't have any hard proof, nor does anyone. *Maybe* Legacy users are just looking for a fair shake, but *maybe* that's asking too much of some people.

you're right, maybe zdoom is a piece of shit. maybe legacy is a piece of shit. the only factor deciding these is the person doing the evaluation.

the fact that people have very specific complaints about legacy shows that they have given it a fair shake. anything else is just opinion and not worth arguing.

Rellik said:

When all other arguements fail, just call the guy a liar.

You mean like how you called me a liar when you accused me of making claims about Legacy without having played it?

And how exactly did my arguments fail? Arioch and myself both presented facts, and many, many people can tell you stories about legacy crashing on them or being unstable. It's not a passing argument like 'zdoom sucks' with no basis behind it aside from personal preference. One of the past coders of legacy, SoM, even says it's unstable and buggy. That should tell you something right there.

On the other hand it annoys me when news threads descend into a stupid flame like this, and I'd rather not get involved with them for making a simple non-insulting comment, but alas. I'm closing the thread because of what will evidently follow.