NiGHTMARE Posted April 25, 2003 [noob]plonker said: acording to my source its only a 9700 pro with difernt drivers Although I know virtually nothing about the complexities of 3D cards, I can tell you that the 9800 has several new hardware features. Here they are, though I can't tell you exactly what they all mean ;) - support for new DirectX 9 features - extra transistors for true 128-bit floating point values (previous cards rounded bits after 96 to 128, but now all 128 bits are calcualted - this means improved colour quality for complex shading calculations) - F-buffer (reduces number of calculations needed on the frame buffer, and allows RGB and Alpha channels to all be stored seperately, resulting in improved handling of translucency) - improved Smartshader and Smoothvision (enhances the speed and flexibility of the shaders, as well as the card's general efficiency) - Hyper Z III updated to Hypder Z III+, with a bigger cache, and better optimisations (meaning that shadow volumes are rendered much more efficiently ) Finally, here are some Radeon Benchmark scores. Note that these all come from barcharts, so I may be slightly off in some cases ;) UT 2003 (1600x1200, 2xAA, 8xAF) - 9500 Pro: 52 fps - 9700 Pro: 76 fps - 9800 Pro: 88 fps Serious Sam 2 (1600x1200, 2xAA) - 9500 Pro: 41 fps - 9700 Pro: 59 fps - 9800 Pro: 65 fps 3DMark 2001 (1600x1200, 2xAA, 8xAF) - 9500 Pro: 5 marks - 9700 Pro: 8 marks - 9800 Pro: 9 marks Interestingly, the 9800 runs slightly faster than the GeForce FX5800 at lower resolutions, but slightly slower at high resolutions. 0 Share this post Link to post
Alientank Posted April 25, 2003 Nightmare that is until you turn on AA and AF. I swear the FX HATES AA and AF because it slows down big time. The FX has a higher fill rate though. 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted April 25, 2003 Alientank: check these benchmarks: UT 2003 (1024x768, 2xAA, 0xAF) - 9800 Pro: 201 fps - FX 5800 Ultra: 190 fps UT 2003 (1600x1200, 2xAA, 0xAF) - 9800 Pro: 100 fps - FX 5800 Ulta: 170 fps Aquanox (1024x768, 2xAA, 0xAF) - 9800 Pro: 89 fps - FX 5800 Ulta: 78 fps Aquanox (1600x1200, 2xAA, 0xAF) - 9800 Pro: 45 fps - FX 5800 Ulta: 50 fps See, even with AA and AF remaining the same, the 9800 is faster at a lower resolution, and the FX 5800 is (much, in UT 2003's case) faster at a higher resolution... though obviously this isn't the case in all games/benchmarks. Another thing I've noticed: While the 9800 thrashes the FX 5800 in almost every setting in 3DMark 2001 (the only one it doesn't is 1600x1200, 2xAA, 8xAF, but even then the FX only beats it by 0.1 marks) and in most settings in many games, in Serious Sam 2 and CodeCreatures, it's the other way around. 0 Share this post Link to post
Alientank Posted April 25, 2003 NiGHTMARE said:Alientank: check these benchmarks: UT 2003 (1024x768, 2xAA, 0xAF) - 9800 Pro: 201 fps - FX 5800 Ultra: 190 fps UT 2003 (1600x1200, 2xAA, 0xAF) - 9800 Pro: 100 fps - FX 5800 Ulta: 170 fps Aquanox (1024x768, 2xAA, 0xAF) - 9800 Pro: 89 fps - FX 5800 Ulta: 78 fps Aquanox (1600x1200, 2xAA, 0xAF) - 9800 Pro: 45 fps - FX 5800 Ulta: 50 fps See, even with AA and AF remaining the same, the 9800 is faster at a lower resolution, and the FX 5800 is (much, in UT 2003's case) faster at a higher resolution... though obviously this isn't the case in all games/benchmarks. Another thing I've noticed: While the 9800 thrashes the FX 5800 in almost every setting in 3DMark 2001 (the only one it doesn't is 1600x1200, 2xAA, 8xAF, but even then the FX only beats it by 0.1 marks) and in most settings in many games, in Serious Sam 2 and CodeCreatures, it's the other way around. 1) No one uses 2x aa and 0x af. Go on...put 4x aa and 8x af, the standard most use. You'll see. 0 Share this post Link to post
Radea` Posted April 25, 2003 Nightmare, The FX is practically doing nothing at 2X FSAA. Its practically doing nothing at 4X FSAA as well. Give it some 6XS, where it finally breaks above ATI's 2X in jaggy removal, and you've lost all your performance. 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted April 26, 2003 I haven't got any benchmarks which should higher AA, but I have got some which show higher AF, and the FX 5800 still runs slower at low resolutions but faster at higer ones: UT 2003 (1024x768, 2xAA, 8xAF) - 9800 Pro: 184 fps - FX 5800 Ultra: 181 fps UT 2003 (1600x1200, 2xAA, 8xAF) - 9800 Pro: 85 fps - FX 5800 Ulta: 101 fps Aquanox (1024x768, 2xAA, 8xAF) - 9800 Pro: 76 fps - FX 5800 Ulta: 75 fps Aquanox (1600x1200, 2xAA, 8xAF) - 9800 Pro: 37 fps - FX 5800 Ulta: 43 fps 0 Share this post Link to post
Radea` Posted April 26, 2003 Nightmare, those are probably the aggresive mode AF benches. When the 5800 Ultra actually does AF w/ trilinear, its performance goes away, and your left with 1/2 the performance of a R9800Pro. http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDU2 There's a whole article for you. FX gets pwned. There's a UT2003 1600x1200 graph for you. I dont know where your getting your information from, but all sites I've read have the 9800 Pro & 9700 Pro (With new drivers) pwning the FX. 0 Share this post Link to post
Alientank Posted April 26, 2003 Radea proved me right :D the only thing the FX has on the ATI 97 and 9800 is massive fill rate. 0 Share this post Link to post
NailGunner Posted April 26, 2003 Son of a motherless goat; you guys are getting me lusting after buying another GPU. Must stay the course...must not spend any more money... 0 Share this post Link to post
Alientank Posted April 26, 2003 And here are the speakers I'm buying. 6.1 sound and 600 watts power beotches. 0 Share this post Link to post
Goat Posted April 26, 2003 NailGunner said:Son of a motherless goat; that wouldnt be me i know my mom 0 Share this post Link to post
Fletcher` Posted April 26, 2003 Alientank said:And here are the speakers I'm buying. 6.1 sound and 600 watts power beotches. http://images2.newegg.com/productimage/36-116-127-02.JPG That's biatches and where the hell are you gonna put that thing? 0 Share this post Link to post
Alientank Posted April 26, 2003 ravage said:That's biatches and where the hell are you gonna put that thing? Sub under my desk, front channel speaker mounted infront of me on the ceiling, left front speaker on wall to left, right front speaker on wall to right, rear channel speaker drilled to ceiling behind me, rear left speaker mounted to wall, rear right speaker mounted to wall. 0 Share this post Link to post
NailGunner Posted April 27, 2003 Goat said:that wouldnt be me i know my mom As do I. Sorry, didn't mean to offend...:) Cool speaker setup, A-tank. 600 watts is quite a bit of ass; I know the Klipch 4.1's I'm running knock pretty hard, so I can only guess what those will yield. 0 Share this post Link to post
Alientank Posted April 27, 2003 NailGunner said: 600 watts is quite a bit of ass; o_0 I know the Klipch 4.1's I'm running knock pretty hard, so I can only guess what those will yield. Yea I can't wait to try them out it should kick some major ass. 0 Share this post Link to post
aca Posted April 27, 2003 Is there any point of posting pictures of what we are claiming to buy for Doom 3? 0 Share this post Link to post
Alientank Posted April 27, 2003 Yes. When I get my system built I'll post a whole bunch of screens of it as well as benchmarks etc. 0 Share this post Link to post
Shaviro Posted April 27, 2003 Alientank said:Yes. When I get my system built I'll post a whole bunch of screens of it as well as benchmarks etc. Yeah, I really can't wait. I TOTALLY care about your future system. <---sarcasm Don't bother to post those screens in here. This is a forum for discussing everything Doom 3 Tech related. If you get a new computer and feel like bragging about it, go to "Everything Else"! This is not the place for it. 0 Share this post Link to post
Alientank Posted April 27, 2003 Shaviro said:Yeah, I really can't wait. I TOTALLY care about your future system. <---sarcasm Don't bother to post those screens in here. This is a forum for discussing everything Doom 3 Tech related. If you get a new computer and feel like bragging about it, go to "Everything Else"! This is not the place for it. Umm as I recall the thread turned into talking about a discussion between cards and playing Doom 3 so it's on topic kthxbye 0 Share this post Link to post
Shaviro Posted April 27, 2003 Alientank said:Umm as I recall the thread turned into talking about a discussion between cards and playing Doom 3 so it's on topic kthxbye I was referring to whenever you got a new computer. 0 Share this post Link to post
Alientank Posted April 27, 2003 Shaviro said:I was referring to whenever you got a new computer. Yes well let's try to keep this on topic 0 Share this post Link to post
BlueBeast Posted May 6, 2003 For all who care... and even those who don't... http://maximumpc.com/features/feature_2003-03-05.html Specs and Benchmarks... ps pray the 256MB '9800' comes out before DOOM3 i want it, BAD Just My humble opinion.. 0 Share this post Link to post
sniperfrommars1 Posted May 6, 2003 Blah. Just more crap benchmarks. Check out hard ocps review of the card much nicer. And Im not linking to it Im too goddamned lazy 0 Share this post Link to post
pritch Posted May 13, 2003 Alientank said:And here are the speakers I'm buying. 6.1 sound and 600 watts power beotches. [img]http://images2.newegg.com/productimage/36-116-127-02.JPG[img] Heh, that's pretty 1337. I got a 400 watt 5.1 system for $50, but I can't really put the speakers in ideal places in here. 0 Share this post Link to post
SupremeGeneral Posted June 11, 2003 All I know is my Graphix card sucks, and so does my computer. I want 2000 dollars for a new one!!!!! (Cries) Supreme General 0 Share this post Link to post
Naked Snake Posted June 11, 2003 Yeah, thanks bucko, for bumping the nearly 1 month old thread. Did you even look at the FAQ? 0 Share this post Link to post
Fredrik Posted June 11, 2003 BBG said:Yeah, thanks bucko, for bumping the nearly 1 month old thread. Does it matter? It's not like this forum's very active anyway. 0 Share this post Link to post
gatewatcher Posted June 12, 2003 But, OMG, 9800 isn't at the top anymore... We have to let Alientank know, so he can get the new FX! This was a purposeful bump =) 0 Share this post Link to post
Radea` Posted June 12, 2003 Too bad not *all* of the cheating info has leaked to the public yet. Just you wait ;) 0 Share this post Link to post
Alientank Posted June 12, 2003 gatewatcher said:But, OMG, 9800 isn't at the top anymore... We have to let Alientank know, so he can get the new FX! This was a purposeful bump =) Way ahead of ya 0 Share this post Link to post