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What is wrong with the world?

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Since there are so many threads about how fucked up the world is right now, I'd like to know from you guys what exactly is wrong with it, and what can/could be done to make it better.

Any (serious) opinions?

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Nothing's wrong. Everything's exactly like it's always been. Only the weapons change, the wars stay the same.

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And cant forget the fact that we have managed to make this planet almost totaly useless in the past 150 years.

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A nuke for every one human. Eventually animals will evolve to suit the radioactive environment and the slate will be wiped clean.

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More likely bacteria will have to start from scratch and the planet will be fine again in a few billion years.

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Lots of things are wrong with the world

Oh wait, I know, let's blame it on God! When stuff goes wrong, God is blamed, so He must be blamed for our stupidity!

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Make love, not war!

No need to blame God by the way, DooMBoy; we already owned him. You're next on our list, though, among others.

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What I think is wrong with the world today, is that many people are still religious. I don't think the issue is "when did god create man?" but "when did man create god?". I don't think humanity will make any major advances as long as religion is as "big" as it is.

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myk said:

Make love, not war!

No need to blame God by the way, DooMBoy; we already owned him. You're next on our list, though, among others.

Yourself included, I do sincerely hope

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...what exactly is wrong with it, and what can/could be done to make it better.

The petty bourgeoisie. The great majority of any nation consists of these narrowminded materialists. People that believe in simple proplems and simple solutions. They will therefore always follow the strongest leader eventhough he may not be the best leader.

Just look at East Germany. In the 30s the east-germans followed the extreme right. In the 50s they followed the extreme left. Now they follow a democratic path. The same people believed and supported 3 totally different systems!

The petty bourgeoisie is not interessed in politics as long they are fed. Leaders with all sorts of ideals take advantage of this. Sure leaders have some fault as well, but without an army they are powerless. It is the political indifference among the masses that make wars and slavery possible.

The only way to end this, is the make the masses aware of their role and power. They must form their own opinion. This is a very difficult task however since most will not want to be aware. It is hard to admit to youself you are to blame (at least in part). It is far easier to blame some poor foreign country or the strange kid next door for your problems...

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Mudvayne
The End of All Things To Come

All over with,
Fuck all the flags, the greed, the world leaders
Run for the fence
We're coming, We're killing, We're changing the faces

Stop talking, negotiating,
Your feeble attempts towards world peace,
Gimme a fucking break
Need world-wide genocide, planetary suicide and when the whole damn world is dead...
there's your fucking peace


We can't keep changing both for the worse and the better.

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i declare war on all life forms!!

Actually the world should be engulfed completely in water, so we can live like those people on the movie waterworld, everybody takes care of themselves and there is no form of government

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Waterworld was quite boring, though, so let's hope that doesn't happen...

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Dis:
Nothing's wrong. Everything's exactly like it's always been. Only the weapons change, the wars stay the same.

Not true... Wars have 'evolved'.

* They started out much like battles in the animal world. Wars were more like rituals that ended at first blood. This can still be obsevered in 'primitive' tribes.
* Then things changed for some reason and man started to kill in warfare. Scaring or impressing your opponent was no longer enough to win.
* The killing of women and children was introduced as well as slavery.
* The clash between Muslims and Christians entered a new factor: religion.
* Some people argue the war on terrorism is a new phase of war (but I disagree with this).

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m0l0t0v said:
* They started out much like battles in the animal world. Wars were more like rituals that ended at first blood. This can still be obsevered in 'primitive' tribes.

But you can't serously compare civilized life with a very primitive form of organization...

* Then things changed for some reason and man started to kill in warfare. Scaring or impressing your opponent was no longer enough to win.

Because of the ease of weapons production, and the scale of society; tribes were small, and effective weaponry required a craftsman in the past. In a large scale wars are still fought by select individuals, except that due to the scale they a much greater effect on society. In the past tribes still competed in ways that affected each other, and under certain circumstances even exterminated each other. With civilization comes slaughter in war.

* The killing of women and children was introduced as well as slavery.

Right, since merchandise was introduced; when anything can be sold or bartered, and anything can be disposed of.

* The clash between Muslims and Christians entered a new factor: religion.

I'd say religion doesn't mean much other that an exacerbation of cultural traits and their dissemination in a rather generic, semi-reasoned way. It's cultural (where living systems differ) clashes that count; who cares if the people involved "believe" this or that. Masses are held together in a pretty animalistic way related to the circumstances; you can't much expect exalted and widespread reasonability in this world of uncertainty without warranties. Intellectual power is as concentrated as any other form of capital, and circulates in limited spectrums where it applies.

* Some people argue the war on terrorism is a new phase of war (but I disagree with this).

Society always changes based on the circumstances; and in this case, having, on one side a nuke-loaded superpower without equal, you can expect forms of hostile action unlike common war; as that is relatively impossible. You can't say this has exacly happened in the past, though there must have been somewhat analogical circumstances where cultures in an inferior military/economic condition retaliated using unconventional means.

Terrorism can be seen are scary or terrible; but it's by no means insane as in "out of this world" or plain wacked out. Its totally justified by the material conditions under which it occurs, and must be seen as such in order to deal with it.

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The root of the world's problems come from authority. Long ago, someone foolishly decided that people cannot look out for and care for themselves, and cannot do the same for others without the presence of a leader. And so leaders arose, but they soon realised that after their populace became too large, they'd begin to lose control. Thus religion was created to subdue and controll the masses, giving them a false sense of security and a reason to follow their arbitraily chosen leader.

It is when the religions of two different cultures come into contact that even worse problems arise. The very existance of this new religion creates a fallacy of their own beliefs and thus they begin to worry that they are wrong. Unfortunately, it is human nature to believe oneself to be never wrong, and to cover up these feelings in hatred. Then hatred breeds war and the killing begins.

In the aftermath of war, two sides arise once again. There is the side that has won that is free to spread lies about the opposing side to justify the slaughter. There is also the losing side which is bitter and feels the need to be avenged. Naturaly this can only bring more war, and an escalating cyle begins until one side is completely obliterated and forgotten, which is highly unlikely.

The only way to break this is to realise the only priority for society should be its own survival and the well being of it's inhabitants. Is it so hard to believe that the only meaning of life is life itself? Is that really so painful to believe? When you realise that the only known truth of your existance is your existance itself, then you realise that you are nothing. This is not a nihilistic view, this is the truth, and it's really not that hard to accept. When you realise you are nothing in relation to this universe, then you realise that so is everyone else. Thus the only was to create meaning is to help each other out. The lust for power is childlike arrogance. You are no better than anyone else. Those who rule are no better than those who enslaved by them.

Once you realise this, you can then work to better society.

Realise that you need love. Love is the instict to protect one another from harm. You must protect each other.

Realise that authority is both dangerous and stupid. Authority is the supposition that one is better than the many. This will only destroy society by enslaving the majority. You must learn that the government can and will make mistakes and that you must help to correct them.

Realise that the survival of our Earth is essential to the survival of our spiceis. If all the resources on this planet are used up, we shall have nothing left and will die. You must not forget to protect this world.

Realise that religion is a tool by authority to subdue the populace. Learn to believe in the one true power in your world: humanity.

Of course, an ideal society by this measure would be anarchism: the absense of government where people must govern themselves. Unfortunately this would never work out. The instant this government would be implemented, it would begin to fracture. Violence would erupt, individuals would try to gain power, invasion from a more organised outside force would commence. It is ultimately unstable and deadly.

Why would this not work out? It is not because the system iteself is flawed, but because the former systems have corrupted the masses. For several millenia, we have been slaves of the authority and know nothing other than to follow them and their imposed ideals. Such a paradigm shift would ultimately destroy society and at best just revert it to it's previous state.

What is the solution then? Democracy is an excellent compromise. It gives the masses someone to look up so they will not be frightened by the chaos of reality, but it also gives them the power to change. I do not mean one of the fuax-democracies which make up the majority of modern governments, but one where the people have free choice while the government supports those in need strengthen society. In this model, we can slowly learn to love oursleves and each other so we can survive and live in peace, so that one day we can have a strong society where each individual keeps his or her own personality and yet knows how to be part of society as an atom is a part of a molecule.

So yeah, thats a brief overview of my view of what is wrong with society and how to fix it.

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m0l0t0v said:

Not true... Wars have 'evolved'.


True, as war has gradually gotten easier over time. (from swords and spears through bows and arrows, gunpowder, tanks and planes to nukes and technology-guided weaponry). Back in the day, everyone had to fight long and hard on the battlefield, just to kill a handful of people, nowadays it's push a button and a few hundred people a few hundred miles away get killed in an instant, without soldiers having to go anywhere near them.

btw, the 'war on terrorism' is not a war, it's merely a profiteering exercise by American oil and construction companies.

Danarchy said:

The root of the world's problems come from authority.


The problem, sadly, lies with human beings - who by nature, crave power and wealth above all else. And the never-ending quest to achieve this always ends up with someone else getting hurt, whether it's an individual or an entire continent. 9/11 and the war on terror is a prime example of this.

It's human nature to destroy itself, it's merely a question of when.
And we wonder why nearly every futuristic film is set in either the dark future or the post-apocalyptic future - both are almost certain to happen at some point. As is the story depicted in Adam F's Kaos album. (oxygen levels drop, the planet gets flamed, everyone ends up living in big domes where clean water and oxygen are charged for and the corporate government rules with an iron fist)

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Anyone see George Carlin recently interviewed on PBS by this Smiley guy (the guy's last name is actually Smiley)?

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Rellik said:
I blame the Chileans.

Well, Augusto Pinochet, at least.

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Danarchy said:

The root of the world's problems come from authority. Long ago, someone foolishly decided that people cannot look out for and care for themselves, and cannot do the same for others without the presence of a leader.

First off dan, I agree 99% on what you said. It's well thought out, and the sad sad truth.

But, it's not that "someone foolishly decided that people cannot look out for and care for themselves". Humans are social creatures by nature. If anarchy were to come tomorrow to the whole of the world, people would still band together and look up to someone else for guidance. Anarchy is a lack of governance and without various institutions to provice even basic services needed for life, most everyone would die. Unless you could farm. Then it's back to square one, and the cycle of how society evolved would repeat it's course.

This isn't really because of an "institution" or anything. Even primate societys have hierarchy and social ladders. We ARE that...we are born with it. That's how we evolved.

It's not simply athority, it's control and power as you said.

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The Ultimate DooMer said:

It's human nature to destroy itself

Um, wrong. That isn't nature. Nothing exists to destroy itself.

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