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Kramer spews racial slurs

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Hecklers are idiots. Being offended at a random word is too. Making a mess out of this simply because he was in the cast of Seinfeld is retarded beyond belief.

I use the racial slur equivalent of "nigger" for our lower class here quite often. Go update your RSS.

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I feel bad for Kramer because it could have just been unbottled anger at the people that came out racially. Theres a difference between saying something because you hate the race and saying something because you hate the person and seeing race as the easiest thing to attack, in your adrenaline charged mind.

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Funny how this stuff gets people riled up, getting their inner reactionary imp all pumped up.

I feel bad for Kramer because it could have just been unbottled anger at the people that came out racially.

He's just stupid, unless he figured he's likely to get more bigots than blacks as audience anyway. He may as well signalled security and pointed out the annoyance, rather than say "thank me you ain't a slave now".

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If I had a penny for every time I heard my dad say nigger I'd be rich. That doesn't mean he hates black people it's just a word that was programmed many years ago. Hell I've nigger and I have nothing against any race.

Why fucking cares.

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Who cares. That actor is human, like anyone else. We say stupid shit once and a while. I don't know why the word "nigger" is even considered a racial slur anymore, black rappers use it in their music all the time.

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caco_killer said:

Who cares. That actor is human, like anyone else. We say stupid shit once and a while. I don't know why the word "nigger" is even considered a racial slur anymore, black rappers use it in their music all the time.


technically that's "nigga" and appropriate for non-whites to say affectionatly. "nigger" is the slur. neither can be said by white people, in a politically correct state of mind.

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insertwackynamehere said:

technically that's "nigga" and appropriate for non-whites to say affectionatly.


Damn! I'm being disallowed the use of words because I'm white.

I won't be allowed to sit on the blacks only bus soon.

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Pffft. racialism is all one sided. Black people can be little white guy to the ground but when the "Nigger" tag is though and that guys hung from the highest tree.

And that kiss ass Seinfeld a total drop out. Apologize for the people who were hurt. The white people who put then selves on a pedestal for being totally racial open or the black guys belittling a mans performance.

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I'm not saying I agree, I'm simply saying how it is right now. I also disagree with racial slurs of any kind and do not agree with Kramer's outburst, I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't actually MEAN it and that it was just an angry rant, unlike some people who would say it out of true hate

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Heh, how many people here use the word mong, which is offensive to both Down's Syndrome sufferers and Mongolians.

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Technician said:
And that kiss ass Seinfeld a total drop out. Apologize for the people who were hurt. The white people who put then selves on a pedestal for being totally racial open or the black guys belittling a mans performance.

How dare he make an apology after some dude who's been popular only because he worked in Seinfield makes a mess publicly! In the end the guy's known because of Seinfield (the show), and would otherwise hardly even be in the news, no matter how many times he were to say "nigger". Aside from what may have gone on behind the scenes (maybe the two dudes had a reason to diss him) it was Michael Richards who was running his little show, and not those two people who annoyed him, and the two guys ran his show unless he really wanted a "nigger you" catfight.

Dr. Zin said:
Heh, how many people here use the word mong, which is offensive to both Down's Syndrome sufferers and Mongolians.

But in this case you'd be calling one of those a mong in nasty way, not just using the term to disparage someone. There are only degrees of racism or discrimination. This guy may get away with a bit due to being a comedian, but he sure made a case of it.

I'll have to agree with what Skeletor said, but which, as Zaldorn pointed out by giving our example, doesn't apply merely to the US.

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insertwackynamehere said:

technically that's "nigga" and appropriate for non-whites to say affectionatly. "nigger" is the slur. neither can be said by white people, in a politically correct state of mind.


It is APPROPRIATE?

YOU ARE OFFICIALLY AN IDIOT

DO you realise how STUPID that sounds?

"Political correctness" is a stupid and pointless nebulous concept. But let's be serious, "nigger" is not appropriate anywhere, any form! REGARDLESS OF YOUR RACE! If you wanna be politically correct, the door must swing both ways! Let's go balls-to-the-wall and Ban ALL "hate" words! But when you find that your 1st amendment is gone, don't DARE complain about it! you want to give that up so everyone can be happy?

There is no mentality dumber than "ok no.1 can say this because you're blah blah but no.2 can't because you're blah blah".

"how it is right now" as an excuse is total bullshit and if you buy it you're just as dumb as the rappers that use it. Racism exists today because people choose to see it. Not for any other reason. and yet you justify it with "that's how it is".

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myk said:

How dare he make an apology after some dude who's been popular only because he worked in Seinfield makes a mess publicly! In the end the guy's known because of Seinfield (the show), and would otherwise hardly even be in the news, no matter how many times he were to say "nigger". Aside from what may have gone on behind the scenes (maybe the two dudes had a reason to diss him) it was Michael Richards who was running his little show, and not those two people who annoyed him, and the two guys ran his show unless he really wanted a "nigger you" catfight.

I'll have to agree with what Skeletor said, but which, as Zaldorn pointed out by giving our example, doesn't apply merely to the US.


Seinfeld sold the rights to his show ages ago. He no longer receives any money from popularity or liberties anymore.

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myk said:

I'll have to agree with what Skeletor said, but which, as Zaldorn pointed out by giving our example, doesn't apply merely to the US.

Yeah, these things are quite primal in many cultures. It's a cheap, easy stab when you've been riled up, or happen to encounter someone who *actually* enforces the stereotype you've grown used to by being a textbook (a racist textbook) example of what the term conveys.

Having just watched the video, he's obviously playing some kind of character (the long wailling 'niiiger', the "stick it to the Man" reference, come on that's sarcastic as it gets). I like it how the guy finds himself offended at Richards calling him a nigger, but not a motherfucker, and has no problem in returning a completely symmetrical "white-cracker".

Christ now I am actually debating this...

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Csonicgo said:

It is APPROPRIATE?

YOU ARE OFFICIALLY AN IDIOT

DO you realise how STUPID that sounds?

"Political correctness" is a stupid and pointless nebulous concept. But let's be serious, "nigger" is not appropriate anywhere, any form! REGARDLESS OF YOUR RACE! If you wanna be politically correct, the door must swing both ways! Let's go balls-to-the-wall and Ban ALL "hate" words! But when you find that your 1st amendment is gone, don't DARE complain about it! you want to give that up so everyone can be happy?

There is no mentality dumber than "ok no.1 can say this because you're blah blah but no.2 can't because you're blah blah".

"how it is right now" as an excuse is total bullshit and if you buy it you're just as dumb as the rappers that use it. Racism exists today because people choose to see it. Not for any other reason. and yet you justify it with "that's how it is".


shut up, if you read my other post you would see I never PERSONALLY agreed but was simply describing the general state of mind people have about it. I was telling that other guy why some people still find it offensive. hell, I have a black friend who thinks everyone should be allowed to say "nigga" because it no longer means anything, but I'm personally not about to start.

my post from a few posts up

insertwackynamehere said:

I'm not saying I agree, I'm simply saying how it is right now. I also disagree with racial slurs of any kind and do not agree with Kramer's outburst, I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't actually MEAN it and that it was just an angry rant, unlike some people who would say it out of true hate

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Ooooo... Has Gibsy started a fad?


Technician said:

If I had a penny for every time I heard my dad say nigger I'd be rich.


If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say, "If I had a nickel", I'd have a lot of nickels.

If I had a penny for every time I heard someone say, "If I had a penny," I'd beat the guy over the head because he didn't say, "If I had a nickel."

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I should sue someone who isnt white for calling me a cracker and say thats offensive to my people...

Really, people are always going to be insensitive. But the black people think THEY had it hard.. take a long look at the jews.

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Fuck semantics. A black person who says 'nigga' sounds just as ignorant as a white person who says 'nigger'. More ignorant, if anything, since all they're doing is pronouncing the word incorrectly. People like to pretend the former has lost its meaning or is somehow acceptable. They're insulating themselves from the stigma associated with it when it's much easier (and better for our societal growth) just to reject the stigma altogether and USE THE WORD HOW IT'S MEANT TO BE USED.

Although admittedly, it's hard to dig down to the word's true origin:

Dictionary.com
a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.


It's the swastika all over again.

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Seriously, though, my sister once got her head kicked in for calling a black guy a nigger. Albeit he deserved it at the time, but as I told her later, you don't call 'em niggers unless you got a heater on you. Personally, I could give a shit less, the whole debate over the word is stupid, especially when you consider that they can call us honkies and crackers all day long and be in the right. Until the black people get over their own racial issues, they're no better than the racist white people they claim to hate so much. Props to Kramer for blowing up at a couple of idiots.

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Bucket said:
Fuck semantics. A black person who says 'nigga' sounds just as ignorant as a white person who says 'nigger'. More ignorant, if anything, since all they're doing is pronouncing the word incorrectly.

Maybe they just talk that way because they are wont to culturally? By that account anyone not talking like an English aristocrat with a refined sense of etiquette and language is a boor. Plus what really counts is the context (what the words are put against) and not merely how many acceptations a word has in a dictionary, or what their rank is there.

It's the swastika all over again.

Apparently Goodwin's law never implied calling someone a Nazi was inappropriate, just that it'll eventually happen if a discussion goes on long or thoroughly enough.

Technician said:
Seinfeld sold the rights to his show ages ago. He no longer receives any money from popularity or liberties anymore.

That matters? He spent years working on it and has his name intimately attached to the show. I'd say he can comment on anything they ask him in regard to it (directly or not), however he wants.

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Words only have power over you if you let them. Getting bent out of shape about some thing some one said is your choice. When some ones says some thing is "offensive" to you. You make a choice to be offended.
People need to learn they are just words.

So if things like the word Nigger offend you. YOU are letting it get to you. No one else is.

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Heh, the funny thing is that the dude is nearly 60 years old. It's also amusing how everyone is calling him "Kramer". Poor bastard.

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