hardcore_gamer Posted October 16, 2007 Ok, i got heretic. But it does not work with Zdoom as that port was made for Doom. Are there any good source ports for Heretic similar to Zdoom? 0 Share this post Link to post
hardcore_gamer Posted October 16, 2007 leileilol said:Zdoom oh! I thought Zdoom could only play Doom pwads. I this make me look stupid. Sorry for creating a thread that has become pointless already:( Anyway i won't blame the admins for locking this thread. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ultraviolet Posted October 16, 2007 hardcore_gamer said:I this make me look stupid.YUSS! 0 Share this post Link to post
Quasar Posted October 16, 2007 Eternity kinda-sorta supports Heretic. The weapons and inventory items just aren't implemented yet ^____^ Check back in a few months, support should be 100%. 0 Share this post Link to post
Hekksy Posted October 16, 2007 The next version of Skulltag will have full Heretic support, if you're interested in playing it online. 0 Share this post Link to post
Stilgar Posted October 17, 2007 What port is recommended for Heretic under Linux, or is it a "use DOSBox" sort of thing...? 0 Share this post Link to post
entryway Posted October 17, 2007 Stilgar said:What port is recommended for Heretic under Linux, or is it a "use DOSBox" sort of thing...? DoomsDay FEATURES * Supports Windows, Linux/Unix, and Mac OS X operating systems. 0 Share this post Link to post
Hekksy Posted October 17, 2007 ZDoom and Skulltag run in linux as well. Also I think Vavoom has Heretic support and runs under linux. 0 Share this post Link to post
Manc Posted October 17, 2007 Eternity also runs in linux. So you're definitely not short of options. 0 Share this post Link to post
Graf Zahl Posted October 17, 2007 Yeah, but as its creator already stated: Quasar said:Eternity kinda-sorta supports Heretic. The weapons and inventory items just aren't implemented yet ^____^ Check back in a few months, support should be 100%. ... it's probably not the best option at the moment. ;) 0 Share this post Link to post
ducon Posted October 17, 2007 I run ZDoom, I finished all the first four episodes, and I still have the last one to finish. 0 Share this post Link to post
Manc Posted October 18, 2007 Graf Zahl said:... it's probably not the best option at the moment. ;) I never said it was, I was merely mentioning that additional fact that eternity also runs on linux so that it was known. I think it's obvious by Quasar's post that it's not "the best choice". I'm not sure if you think I don't read threads or what, but I'd rather not find out why and derail the thread. 0 Share this post Link to post
VinceDSS Posted October 21, 2007 still no pure port of heretic like prboom or choc doom are for doom... btw, legacy has a pretty good heretic support and still retains the old school feel, unlike doomsday or zdoom. 0 Share this post Link to post
Quasar Posted October 22, 2007 If you want a pure port of Heretic and/or Hexen, you should be bugging Raven to put the source code under GPL, because nobody I know is going to bother working on such a thing while the source remains under the shitty Activision EULA. It makes it technically illegal to even try. 0 Share this post Link to post
jval Posted October 29, 2007 DelphiHeretic: http://delphidoom.sitesled.com/downloads.html (Under the Work In Progress section) 0 Share this post Link to post
entryway Posted October 29, 2007 jval said:DelphiHeretic: http://delphidoom.sitesled.com/downloads.html (Under the Work In Progress section) If you will make completely compatible port (I mean demos) - it will be priceless 0 Share this post Link to post
jval Posted October 29, 2007 entryway said:If you will make completely compatible port (I mean demos) - it will be priceless Currently is not compatible, that's because playing old demos is disabled, mainly because of issues like flying and inventory. 0 Share this post Link to post
entryway Posted October 29, 2007 jval said:Currently is not compatible, that's because playing old demos is disabled, mainly because of issues like flying and inventory. I am afraid about compatibility because it based not on the original sources if I understood you correctly (based on delphidoom) 0 Share this post Link to post
jval Posted October 29, 2007 About compatibility: The A_xxxx AI functions has been translated (rewriten from scratch) from C to Delphi taking all the appropriate "precausions" to keep compatibility. (just as DelphiDoom witch is 95-99% compatible with old game demos) The P_XYMovement() and P_ZMovement() functions are based on DelphiDoom, patched to fit Heretic new featues. (as well as the rendering engine and the sound code witch does not affect compatibility). Anyway, compatibility with old demos is an issue I have in mind and it is possible. The similarity of Doom and Heretic gave me the opportunity to make a playable heretic port based on DelphiDoom with less than a week of work, could anyone try to do this with PrBoom/PrBoom-plus (witch are fully compatible)????? 0 Share this post Link to post
VinceDSS Posted October 29, 2007 there arent as many heretic demos as doom's but I got quite a few we can test with your port :D 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted October 29, 2007 Quasar said: because nobody I know is going to bother working on such a thing while the source remains under the shitty Activision EULA. Basically, it can be used like any other resource in the games to make addons for it. The requirements are that it has to be for use with the corresponding game (Hexen or Heretic) and cannot be used for profit. ZDoom (although its users make a mess of the licenses by blatantly mixing the DOOM and Raven games, thus it's probably wiser to release DOOM and Raven engines separately) and jval's engines already use the license, so it's not unfeasible to see a pure engine going by the Raven license. 0 Share this post Link to post
andrewj Posted October 30, 2007 jval said:The similarity of Doom and Heretic gave me the opportunity to make a playable heretic port based on DelphiDoom with less than a week of work, could anyone try to do this with PrBoom/PrBoom-plus (witch are fully compatible)????? Of course it could be easily done with PrBoom if we simply ignored the licenses. But GPL + Raven licenses do not mix. 0 Share this post Link to post
jval Posted October 30, 2007 Ajapted said:Of course it could be easily done with PrBoom if we simply ignored the licenses. But GPL + Raven licenses do not mix. Does that mean that making a Heretic port using as base a Doom port is not legal? Or under witch license must we release it? 0 Share this post Link to post
Graf Zahl Posted October 30, 2007 If you take the Raven license literally you are pretty much out of options because it basically means 'don't use this source and better don't even look at it!' If, however, it is true that the addition of this license was an accident and the source was supposed to be released under something like the original Doom license you can basically use anything that isn't released under the GPL or has comparably invasive clauses. In any case, this means that Chocolate Doom and PrBoom can not be used with the Raven code at all because no matter how you see it, the licenses are incompatible. 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted October 30, 2007 Graf Zahl said: If you take the Raven license literally you are pretty much out of options because it basically means 'don't use this source and better don't even look at it!' No, it has a whole chunk dedicated to "New Materials" where it explicitly grants permission to make such stuff, basically under the conditions I stated in my post above. I don't think it was by mistake that they included the EULA*. Since it already allowed addons, they decided to apply the same conditions to the released code. Granted ZDoom is technically breaking that EULA as it's not using the code exclusively for Hexen and Heretic, as requested. * I also used to think they included it by accident or incorrectly, but reading it fully does not seem to support that idea. 0 Share this post Link to post
Graf Zahl Posted October 31, 2007 In my opinion this whole thing looks like a stupid and clueless clerk in their legal department just slapped on their standard license without thinking and nobody ever bothered to correct this mistake. If they really wanted to enforce such outrageous claims, wouldn't you think that they'd have sued someone by now? The license contains sections that are utterly ridiculous if applied to source code. 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted October 31, 2007 Graf Zahl said: The license contains sections that are utterly ridiculous if applied to source code. It's rather confusing because of the License Conditions at the top (perhaps a restatement of the general license for the games*), but considering the source was released for use by licensed users of the games, it seems to be categorizing it as "programming assets and resources" that may be used under the conditions specified in the Program Utilities section. * Especially since it's assuming, for example, that the Program has a definite way it is used online, which perhaps can be said of a built game but not really of a mere source. 0 Share this post Link to post