Naked Snake Posted January 17, 2002 I have been pondering this for a while. In a map editor I used to use, one of the things was a dead lost soul...this never made any sense to me. Today I was playing the DooM PRB and I saw a Lost Soul, so I killed it. Its dead body was floating there, a pile of bones. I didn't think about it that much and went on my way. On the way to school I remebered about the map editor and it came to me. I guess they decided to keep that in or something even though they made the new Lost Souls corpse invisible...another great DooM mystery solved. 0 Share this post Link to post
nxn Posted January 17, 2002 can anyone actually make sence of what he's saying? 0 Share this post Link to post
pritch Posted January 17, 2002 yeah I get it. I never saw said 'Dead 'Skull'. Perhaps it's just as well they got rid of it as the subsequent Pain Elemental hurls out so many of 'em Doom95 would've got visplane overflow in 2 probbaly.. :) 0 Share this post Link to post
Sharessa Posted January 17, 2002 THey use dead lost souls on Slige to make sure that the levels only run on registered Doom. On occasion you can actualy see the dead lost soul as the lost soul death animation at the very beginning of the level. 0 Share this post Link to post
Fredrik Posted January 17, 2002 yeah I get it. I never saw said 'Dead 'Skull'. Perhaps it's just as well they got rid of it as the subsequent Pain Elemental hurls out so many of 'em Doom95 would've got visplane overflow in 2 probbaly.. :)1)Sprites don't cause visplane overflows, visplanes do 2) In Doom95, the VPO was removed 0 Share this post Link to post
Shaviro Posted January 17, 2002 when there are too many sprites, it will stop displaying some of them. 0 Share this post Link to post
nxn Posted January 17, 2002 yeah I get it. I never saw said 'Dead 'Skull'. Its dead body was floating there, a pile of bones. what the hell is wrong with you people? can't anyone make a clear easy to undersatnd sentance? 0 Share this post Link to post
Enjay Posted January 17, 2002 The dead lost soul is a pretty useful thing. Because it is coded into the doom engine, you can use dehacked to play around with it, give it walking, attack and death frames, or just turn it into a piece of scenerey and then place it on a map. Its map edit number is thing #23 I have never actually had it confirmed, but it does seem a sensible guess that the dead lost soul item was coded when the appearance of the lost soul was like that of the pre release beta, and instead of just disappearing when killed, left a small pile of bone shards. If you have played the PRB, or MBF in beta emulation mode, you will se the lost soul's death did not work quite correctly. The pile of bones left after killing one would not lie on the ground, but hover above it. The old look of the lost souls was quite different too. Not as fiery. Grab a copy of mbf and run it with the command line mbf -beta to see an emulation of beta lost souls, the beta BFG effect and a few other cool pre release things. Or you could also grab the actual pre release beta for the fully authentic experience. You can get the early dooms from the doomworld shareware page http://www.doomworld.com/files/shareware.shtml and MBF from the source ports page http://www.doomworld.com/ports/dos.shtml if for some strange reason you don't have them already. 0 Share this post Link to post
Sharessa Posted January 17, 2002 Yeah, all I got out of this entire conversation is that it has something to do with dead lost souls. 0 Share this post Link to post
nxn Posted January 17, 2002 yes, me and the dan can the only ones to make clear sentance? 0 Share this post Link to post
Sharessa Posted January 17, 2002 yes, me and the dan can the only ones to make clear sentance? Oh, sweet irony! 0 Share this post Link to post
nxn Posted January 17, 2002 oh my bad, I forgot the comma after "me" =] 0 Share this post Link to post
Sharessa Posted January 17, 2002 WTF did you change when you edited that? 0 Share this post Link to post
nxn Posted January 17, 2002 I added another "m" to "coma" so it would read "comma". 0 Share this post Link to post
Sharessa Posted January 17, 2002 ROFL...but you still havn't acknowledged the major screw-up in that scentance. 0 Share this post Link to post
Lüt Posted January 17, 2002 Dead Lost Souls are just the death frames of the lost soul. Place one right in front of you in a map and you'll see the final frames of the Lost Soul dying when you start. 0 Share this post Link to post
Sharessa Posted January 17, 2002 Dead Lost Souls are just the death frames of the lost soul. Place one right in front of you in a map and you'll see the final frames of the Lost Soul dying when you start. Like on Slige 0 Share this post Link to post
nxn Posted January 17, 2002 ROFL...but you still havn't acknowledged the major screw-up in that scentance.which would be? another comma after oh? 0 Share this post Link to post
Sharessa Posted January 17, 2002 yes, me and the dan can the only ones to make clear sentance? WTF does that mean? 0 Share this post Link to post
nxn Posted January 17, 2002 that I (the orion) and the you (the dan) can the be only ones to make the sence sentence!\!! 0 Share this post Link to post
Sharessa Posted January 17, 2002 Every time I think you can't make any less sense, you open your mouth! 0 Share this post Link to post
nxn Posted January 17, 2002 no, neither am I. (english was never my favorite subject) 0 Share this post Link to post
pritch Posted January 18, 2002 Jeez, talk about a dan and orion spamming thread :) Sorry about the visplane, tired and run-down, I of course meant Z_Malloc... or did I? =) Anyway, I know what BBG was on about now, I've seen the effect used at the beginning of a pwad somewhere over the body of a dead trooper to make it look as though you've just knocked him down and stolen his pistol. It was one of those ones where you start in a prison, I like those.. 0 Share this post Link to post
IMJack Posted January 18, 2002 The Lost Souls in the Doom beta left corpses. You can see it when you run MBF in Beta mode. I think you can overload the engine when you have an enthusiastic Pain Elemental go at it. Goddamn I miss my cable modem... 0 Share this post Link to post
pritch Posted January 18, 2002 The Lost Souls in the Doom beta left corpses. You can see it when you run MBF in Beta mode. I think you can overload the engine when you have an enthusiastic Pain Elemental go at it. Goddamn I miss my cable modem... Ha, now you know what it's like for us! 0 Share this post Link to post