The Ultimate DooMer Posted May 11, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8041320.stm Episches Ausfallen (good thing I'm not german then) 0 Share this post Link to post
Espi Posted May 11, 2009 How about banning useless emotional knee-jerk reactions by hysterical people instead? 0 Share this post Link to post
Gez Posted May 11, 2009 I don't get it, where the people in Winnenden killed with paintball guns? 0 Share this post Link to post
GreyGhost Posted May 11, 2009 This is stupid - how long before they start banning stuff like Virtua Cop arcade machines and shutting down online servers for FPS games? 0 Share this post Link to post
Scet Posted May 11, 2009 It's election/campaigning in Germany and this is just political posturing. They are trying to get votes based off fear from a school shooting, which is rather pathetic. The bill will likely be overruled by the federal court in a few months, this isn't the first time such nonsense has been tried. (not German, just what I've heard) 0 Share this post Link to post
The Ultimate DooMer Posted May 11, 2009 Indeed not, they stopped a laser tag site from opening in 1994. I know modern history isn't on their side, but that's in the past and not in the present. Laser tag doesn't even resemble real warfare like paintball does to a degree, it's much closer to an FPS game. Unless they're referring to the outdoor variety (which does resemble paintball) but even so...it's no more to blame for any act of violence than Doom is. Or violent films. Or urban music. Or toy guns/action figures. Or any activity that involves shooting at something or pits people against each other where the aim is to kill or destroy something that the other team has. Or...let's ban everything like in Demolition Man and force every hobby underground, leading to tons of unenforcable "crimes" which dilute police resources and allow the real crimes (including violence ofc) to prosper even more. 0 Share this post Link to post
printz Posted May 11, 2009 Scet said:It's election/campaigning in Germany and this is just political posturing.Exactly, and I really hope it's just that. It's not the first crazy news, but they come and go anyway. @Espi: any good news? :) 0 Share this post Link to post
Coopersville Posted May 11, 2009 What's there to do in Germany, anymore? 0 Share this post Link to post
Reisal Posted May 11, 2009 Looks like they're turning back into Nazis slowly with their heavy-hand tactics. What are they gonna do when some crazy person murders several people with his bare hands? Yet they call us (the USA) prude because we don't show titties on TV.. Go ahead and make yourself look like the laughing stock of the EU. 0 Share this post Link to post
Stupid Bunny Posted May 11, 2009 Mr. Chris said:Looks like they're turning back into Nazis slowly with their heavy-hand tactics. What are they gonna do when some crazy person murders several people with his bare hands? Yet they call us (the USA) prude because we don't show titties on TV.. The interesting thing about all of this is that their deathly fear of violence and other issues like racial intolerance is caused by a fear of turning back into Nazis. It's difficult because, while I can see where they're coming from with it all, things like this as well as their laws concerning any sort of Nazi iconography are themselves restrictions on personal freedoms, which some would say is pretty Nazi-like in itself. I personally think this is just a severe overreaction, but unfortunately for whatever reason a lot of people in pretty much any country seem to respond well to their governments overreacting to things. It's similar to how news networks and the like get more viewers when they blow stuff out of proportion, except in this case the people doing the proportion-blowing have the power to actually make laws, which is worrisome. Well, just as long as it really is only posturing... 0 Share this post Link to post
Pirx Posted May 11, 2009 Mr. Chris said:Go ahead and make yourself look like the laughing stock of the EU. indeed i'm more and more ashamed by these hysterical morons scapegoating gamers for their own failure. 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted May 11, 2009 StupidBunny said: It's difficult because, while I can see where they're coming from with it all, things like this as well as their laws concerning any sort of Nazi iconography are themselves restrictions on personal freedoms, which some would say is pretty Nazi-like in itself. Not Nazi as in racial discrimination and invading neighboring countries. I'm not condoning this proposal, but just because the Nazis did something, it doesn't make it wrong. I'd also say there's something ideological in gun games (even in DOOM, if you ask me), which makes such reactions somewhat more understandable. 0 Share this post Link to post
Necros20 Posted May 11, 2009 It's sorta interesting how they try to ban simulated guns but not real ones. 0 Share this post Link to post
40oz Posted May 11, 2009 It's not paintball that killed those kids, it's definitely doom. 0 Share this post Link to post
Technician Posted May 11, 2009 No it's not. It's Charles Manson's impending clutch on today's generation! 0 Share this post Link to post
Gez Posted May 11, 2009 Mr. Chris said:Looks like they're turning back into Nazis slowly with their heavy-hand tactics. The Nazi actually considerably relaxed gun control laws when they were in power. Right before WW2, only the Jews were still subject to firearm ownership regulations; everyone else was quite encouraged to get some guns. 0 Share this post Link to post
Graf Zahl Posted May 11, 2009 Scet said:It's election/campaigning in Germany and this is just political posturing. They are trying to get votes based off fear from a school shooting, which is rather pathetic. The bill will likely be overruled by the federal court in a few months, this isn't the first time such nonsense has been tried. How true. And you can be sure if this indeed becomes law it will be challenged. It's really disturbing how some self-declared anti-fascist politicians quickly resort to fascist policies when they think it serves their purpose. 0 Share this post Link to post
DaniJ Posted May 11, 2009 Unfortunately the above could be said for practically every (supposedly) democratic leadership on Earth. I can quite understand the view many middle eastern politicians have on western democracy... 0 Share this post Link to post
Nems Posted May 11, 2009 Scet said:It's election/campaigning in Germany and this is just political posturing. They are trying to get votes based off fear from a school shooting, which is rather pathetic. The bill will likely be overruled by the federal court in a few months, this isn't the first time such nonsense has been tried. The same thing happens here in America, which I'm sure everyone already knows. Many if not most politicians are out to get into office and reap the benefits from it. They'll say anything, promise anything, "get tough" on whatever ill is the flavor of the month in society and once they're elected, very little actually changes. Of course, I'm skeptical of politics and governmental matters in general. :V 0 Share this post Link to post
Alboroto Posted May 12, 2009 Kill 'em all. That's the only way to stop violence. 0 Share this post Link to post
Maes Posted May 12, 2009 Yeah, like a hardcore skinhead or hooligan needed paintballs and laser tags to be violent. AFAIK, they are perfectly happy with knuckle dusters, nightsticks and Doc Martens :-p Oh and some booze and Oi! songs. So probably they should ban those too. 0 Share this post Link to post
fraggle Posted May 12, 2009 Espi said:How about banning useless emotional knee-jerk reactions by hysterical people instead? Woah, don't you think that perhaps you're overreacting? 0 Share this post Link to post
The Ultimate DooMer Posted May 12, 2009 Depends who it was aimed at (me or the people in the article). 0 Share this post Link to post
Nightmare Doom Posted May 13, 2009 Graf Zahl said:It's really disturbing how some self-declared anti-fascist politicians quickly resort to fascist policies when they think it serves their purpose. It is because "Anti-Fascist Politicians" is a oxymoron because Politicians are basically nothing than representatives for the wealthy elite not the people. 0 Share this post Link to post
pritch Posted May 15, 2009 Espi said:How about banning useless emotional knee-jerk reactions by hysterical people instead? Oh, if only. If anyone ever qualified for a visit from Dr. Betruger and the gang, it is surely these people. It's like when they banned replica BB guns here last year... a replica BB gun DOES NOT FUCKING KILL PEOPLE. Spend the money on police to get the people smuggling in the real guns and shoot THEM in the fucking nads. Honestly, it does my head in. This country is run by complete fucking morons claiming expenses that I pay for through my taxes to be fucking morons. 0 Share this post Link to post
Necros20 Posted May 15, 2009 I just read on gamepolitics that this idea was dropped. 0 Share this post Link to post
The Ultimate DooMer Posted May 15, 2009 pritch said:Honestly, it does my head in. This country is run by complete fucking morons claiming expenses that I pay for through my taxes to be fucking morons. Abuse of power is human nature. Nice to see you back though, how's things going? 0 Share this post Link to post
pritch Posted May 15, 2009 The Ultimate DooMer said:Abuse of power is human nature. Nice to see you back though, how's things going? Back? I didn't go anywhere! Well, except I got old and got a career and spend most of my day working these days... I'm on #zdoom often though. 0 Share this post Link to post
True_Dweedle Posted May 15, 2009 I suppose they are gonna try ban Pro Wrestling next. 0 Share this post Link to post