Holy shit [Texas shootings]

Csonicgo said:
Caucasian male goes nuts, screams scripture, shoots up the place. Man, How many times is this shit going to go down?

Except the shooter wasn't a caucasian male. He was an American citizen of Palestinian descent. Apparantly he was harrassed by others in the military after the 9/11 attacks. His family said that he was constantly harrassed and called a camel jockey. However, his cousin believes that it was his upcoming deployment to Iraq that set him off.

How many people have to die before guns are banned from the military? This is a classic example of what no gun control leads to. These deaths could have been prevented.

DoomsdayRooster said:

How many people have to die before guns are banned from the military? This is a classic example of what no gun control leads to. These deaths could have been prevented.

ALL GUNS ON MILITARY BASES MUST BE BANNED
ONLY THE POLICE AND MILITARY SHOULD HAVE GUNS

The Army isn't going to like the fact that they were played for fools. It isn't going to be long now before this random crazy person is exploited for some anti-Muslim debacle. Not unlike the Columbine shooting and Doom, I'm thinking. Ironically, Mr. Hassan has probably screwed over 'his people' for at least another half-decade.

Coopersville said:

The Army isn't going to like the fact that they were played for fools. It isn't going to be long now before this random crazy person is exploited for some anti-Muslim debacle. Not unlike the Columbine shooting and Doom, I'm thinking. Ironically, Mr. Hassan has probably screwed over 'his people' for at least another half-decade.

That's what I was thinking, but second thinking this leads me to realize that this puts pressure on the issue in such a way that people will be forced to reconcile amongst themselves where their moral standpoint truly is (which could ultimately either be good for Muslims or bad, perhaps equally). Condemning this by attribution of being Muslim would be to throw away the moral high ground. That would be the true Terrorists Win outcome, perhaps.


All of this speaking in very general terms, of course.

It sucks if he was really given a lot of shit, especially since he was on their side, but still - unforgivable


The article was also really bad

this is fucked..

I have a friend at Fort Hood. He was injured in this incident, and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I was worried sick about him when I heard there was a shooting going on, and I hoped for the best. I'm so glad he's alive, but I'm still very upset about this and the lives lost that day.

Why do people turn to killing other people? Is life really that bad that you have to take it out on the rest of humanity by taking their lives? The gunners can rot, and may the victims rest in peace.

Coopersville said:

The Army isn't going to like the fact that they were played for fools. It isn't going to be long now before this random crazy person is exploited for some anti-Muslim debacle. Not unlike the Columbine shooting and Doom, I'm thinking. Ironically, Mr. Hassan has probably screwed over 'his people' for at least another half-decade.

He has. He yelled "ALLAH HU AKBAR!!!" before he started shooting everybody.

He managed a pretty good kill streak considering he was playing on Nightmare Difficulty. The enemy AI were well armed, reinforcements were nearly unlimited and despite that, he actually survived - consider that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were playing on Easy mode and in Cooperative setting and they had to ragequit once the going got too tough.

I'm sure there's some families wishing the victims would respawn.

Only player-characters respawn, you silly bugger.

In Nightmare?

I can see why this guy cracked

He's a psychiatrist who probably dealt with the soliders coming back from afghanistan,he heard all of their horror stories from the war,he then learns that he's getting shipped off to afghanistan,knowing that he's a muslim and the actual terrorists would see him as a traitor and pick him off first.

I can *******ely see why this guy snapped,he's not a terrorist he's just a guy who had alot of stress and needed help himself.The news projecting it as all muslims are terrorists is bullshit.

Wouldn't he have been going in just to continue doing what he was already doing, though? I'm pretty sure the military wouldn't send their educated specialists out to be shot at so eagerly.

If he joined the military thinking they weren't going to make use of him, that's his own damn fault. There's no mistaking belligerent intent here in my eyes. He has no moral high ground.

fraggle said:

Hey, it was good enough for the guys who killed Charles I.

It's especially amazing what they did with Oliver Cromwell. Lesson learned: if you're going to overthrow a well-liked centuries-old monarchy, you had best make sure you got rid of them completely if you really want to rest in peace.

tl;dr Don't fuck with the English government. That goes for you too, Guy Fawkes.

The wounds in the public mind must not be allowed to heal. Control over people is easier in a climate of fear and insecurity. Isn't it strange that these shootings always occur in regular time patterns ? And the shooter gets always killed or offs himself ?

MKULTRA at work ? (the shooter is even said to be a psychiatrist.....)

Here's also a very interesting thread about this issue, it's a german forum, but many links are also in english.
http://www.freezonechef.servertalk.in/freezonechef-ftopic13898.html

gravitar said:

The wounds in the public mind must not be allowed to heal. Control over people is easier in a climate of fear and insecurity. Isn't it strange that these shootings always occur in regular time patterns ? And the shooter gets always killed or offs himself ?

MKULTRA at work ? (the shooter is even said to be a psychiatrist.....)

Here's also a very interesting thread about this issue, it's a german forum, but many links are also in english.
http://www.freezonechef.servertalk.in/freezonechef-ftopic13898.html

I don't think the military is brainwashing its soldiers. To kill friendlies, I mean. Of course the 'scary terrorist' PR attempt is pitifully transparent.

I am far from a fan of Alex Jones as an individual regardless of the accuracy of his warnings, but he raises some interesting questions.

In the hours after the event, we were told that Hasan was upset about being deployed to Iraq at the end of the month. This then mutated into the notion that Hasan was “anti-war” and later we were informed that he was “facing an FBI investigation for expressing sympathy with suicide bombers.” The fact that this was known by authorities six months ago and still Hasan was not only allowed to remain at the Army base, but also invited to participate in Homeland Security exercises only raises more red flags.

And all sorts of other stuff I've read but will take with a grain of salt until all the facts are documented (not the hurriedly reported factoids.)

Danarchy said:
Don't fuck with the English government.

Actually, those corpses the monarchists got obsessed over pretty much were the English government, under the Commonwealth.

DoomsdayRooster said:

How many people have to die before guns are banned from the military?

This is a joke, right? Right?

Woolie Wool said:

This is a joke, right? Right?

No, he really thinks that the armies of the world should bare-knuckle box their way to victory. Fool.