College Youth: Obama not-so-good, but GREAT?!

When I see a post by Georgef551 that mentions Obama, I know that I'm going to be treated to a nice, balanced view of American politics.

Well I voted for him (not that it mattered) and I'll straight up tell you I haven't liked basically anything he's done in office so far. Least of all perpetuating the Bush administration's IP policies.

My personal Obama approval rating: 11%.

I voted him and I like his policies, but yeah, I don't think he's pushing the issues far enough. If the health plan passes with the stupid "mandatory health care but we won't pay for it" stipulation, I'm not likely to vote for him again. Likewise with not getting out of Iraq. I'd also like to see progress towards a clean energy project like Biden was talking about.

I might as well chip in. The main reason I was hopeful about Obama was that we'd see the end of this senseless war. And what we get is one of the largest military campaigns of the decade. That's a major Bushfail in my book.

Georgef551 said:
Apperently, more than half the college students do not like Obama's policies, yet consider him to be a good president?!

It's simple. They feel encouraged to participate in one way or another due to his relative political position and his openness toward certain issues. If they, among others, don't do something and provide support and encouragement toward certain policies, Obama will more easily be moved by other interests. The youth largely supported him in the elections, so they know they matter as far as the voter base is concerned. They find him relatively acceptable and responsive, which doesn't mean they'll take anything he does with open arms.

Kinda' like saying DooM sucks, but I like to play it everyday. What's the point?

If you want to put it that way, just picture that the only other option is to play something worse every day, like TekWar.

I didn't vote for him, and I don't like anything he's done. You guys called me racist and ignorant during the election, but who was right in the end?

Enjoying having your kids and grandkids pay off the national debt. You deserve it.

Quasar said:

Well I voted for him

You voted for King REoL?

Oh, right.

LOL

Mr. Freeze said:

I didn't vote for him, and I don't like anything he's done. You guys called me racist and ignorant during the election, but who was right in the end?

Enjoying having your kids and grandkids pay off the national debt. You deserve it.

That's a consequence of our failed political system, not Obama specifically. You think things would've been better under McCain? Now, if you argue voting for a third-party candidate, fine, I can see where you're coming from, but since you targeted Obama specifically, I can only assume you meant that we all should've voted for McCain instead, as if it makes a goddamn difference.

geekmarine said:

That's a consequence of our failed political system, not Obama specifically. You think things would've been better under McCain? Now, if you argue voting for a third-party candidate, fine, I can see where you're coming from, but since you targeted Obama specifically, I can only assume you meant that we all should've voted for McCain instead, as if it makes a goddamn difference.

I seriously doubt McCain would've advocated spending $787 billion dollars to fix a problem.

Like I said: Enjoy having your kids and grandkids paying for the national debt.

Mr. Freeze said:

I seriously doubt McCain would've advocated spending $787 billion dollars to fix a problem.

Like I said: Enjoy having your kids and grandkids paying for the national debt.

Why? I didn't vote for Obama, and I didn't support the goddamn stimulus bill.

geekmarine said:

Why? I didn't vote for Obama, and I didn't support the goddamn stimulus bill.

If you didn't support the bill, then I take part of my sentence back.

It should read "I hope everyone else enjoys having their kids and grandkids pay off the national debt".

No third party is ever going to win the presidency. Although I supported several third-party canidates, I didn't vote for them. A Dem or a Rep are the only parties that matter right now. Anything else is throwing your vote away, IMO.

geekmarine said:
That's a consequence of our failed economic system, not Obama specifically.

Fixed.

McCain would have done similarly, perhaps channeling funds somewhat differently and with some different conditions. It was something of international scale, in any case, beyond mere national whim.

If anyone thinks that any one president, black or otherwise can be a miracle cure to an entire country's problems in less than one year, you should kill yourself instead of voting.

He's not Jesus, get over it. Personally I think Obama is a spineless coward, and I don't think he has a very good political brain - but his term isn't even close to over yet, and it'd be wrong to judge his success prematurely.

Try to bear in mind that he's only one man, and so fixing everything or sending the country straight to Hell are both out of his reach.

It's funny... GF hasn't managed to convince a single Doomworlder of anything regarding politics... yet I feel an increasing interest in elevators!

Now, I'm going to pretend my Canadian opinions matter:

I also wish more was being done to establish health care, to fix climate change, to bring the troops home, etc. But I can't blame Obama. There is absolutely tremendous resistance in the political system, which no one man, or even one administration, can do much about. He's doing something, something that is better than nothing, and he's better than the alternative. This leads naturally into a discussion about the problem of having only one alternative. I could say that having 5 major political parties is better (that's because it is :D) but there are still problems over here. The vote tends to get split between the multiple central and liberal parties, giving more power to the single conservative party, and the Green party gets 5% of the votes every election without winning any seats. I don't have any magical solution to the problem of getting a government that actually represents the public, but I do have a prediction: as both major American political parties are gradually creeping rightward, the need for a powerful party that is further left will, eventually be filled. Imagine - some day, instead of only having two tedious, unproductive parties to choose from, you could have three!

geekmarine said:

That kind of attitude is a serious problem in politics today, in my opinion - too many arrogant jackasses who won't even consider the possibility that hey, maybe they don't know everything.

Ugh, I know. Nothing is stupider than when a politician is accused of "waffling" or "flip-flopping." Uh, maybe some new facts have reached him, so he's reconsidering a sensitive issue?

Creaphis said:

He's doing something, something that is better than nothing, and he's better than the alternative.

This is essentially what politics is all about.

Mr. Freeze said:

I seriously doubt McCain would've advocated spending $787 billion dollars to fix a problem.

Like I said: Enjoy having your kids and grandkids paying for the national debt.

McCain was advocating exactly that during his campaign. He even made a show of flying off to DC instead of doing a debate so he could go around advocating exactly that. He, Bush and Obama were all over spending $700 billion.

The Republicans usually don't like to be seen spending cash on anything that might be seen as a social program, but some of them saw where the winds were blowing there. What they do like to spend money on is security theatre. Either way, big government. Personally, I'd rather have more "socialist" things.

Mr. Freeze said:

Like I said: Enjoy having your kids and grandkids paying for the national debt.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

okay, i stay out of your funny usa politics, because i usually think i don't understand it enough, but this one? seriously. NO ONE is EVER going to pay for the usa national debt. it's already so fucking huge there's absolutely no hope of getting it off your back. and guess what. usa is building up the national debt for over 30 years and the only thing a president can do is 'slow down the growth'. or do you think bush jr. had healthy budget program and worked against your debt? :)

Yeah, true. Really, the best case scenario for your grandkids is that they will spend their lives paying off the national debt, as opposed to watching it grow even larger.

Can't wait until China invades after we fail to pay them back. Anyone got some spare 7.62?

China might "invade" you economically, and you could say they are already doing that, along with other developing countries, but not militarily.

Creaphis said:
Yeah, true. Really, the best case scenario for your grandkids is that they will spend their lives paying off the national debt, as opposed to watching it grow even larger.

Yeah, but as we were saying, politics isn't really about best case scenarios, so I'm inclined to say that a good case scenario would be that the debt remains more or less stable or doesn't become too much of a burden, while a bad case scenario would be one where the debt stagnates and the economy deteriorates from a lack of financial resources and activity.

geekmarine said:

That's a consequence of our failed political system

Mr. Freeze said:

Although I supported several third-party canidates, I didn't vote for them. A Dem or a Rep are the only parties that matter right now.

It's funny just how much these 2 sentences are related. We've got this mentality that ONLY democrats and republicans are the viable options. Deep down, though, they both have the ol' Under-the-Table operating system. The only real difference between the two is how they feel about social issues (abortion, e.g.). Both have pathetic economic philosophies, so far as I'm concerned. That's why there's the 20-30 year cycle of depression and surplus. The only variation has been how extreme the cycles have been, and it's getting worse and worse.... Probably because we keep switching between the two and a set economic plan never gets the proper chance to flourish.

Bleh.

Creaphis said:

Yeah, true. Really, the best case scenario for your grandkids is that they will spend their lives paying off the national debt, as opposed to watching it grow even larger.

Thanks Ronnie!
Deficit Spending! heh.. It all sounded soooo good on paper.

Quasar said:

Well I voted for him (not that it mattered) and I'll straight up tell you I haven't liked basically anything he's done in office so far. Least of all perpetuating the Bush administration's IP policies.

My personal Obama approval rating: 11%.

STALLMAN/STALLMAN'S BEARD '12

Mr. Freeze said:

Anyone got some spare 7.62?

Give Bill Clinton another 8 years in office

Creaphis said:

It's funny... GF hasn't managed to convince a single Doomworlder of anything regarding politics... yet I feel an increasing interest in elevators!

Really? Cause now I take the fucking stairs.

Why hasn't George returned to refute anything?

I am still waiting for the next wad in the fiffy series, full of lifts textured with anti-government messages.

dew said:

NO ONE is EVER going to pay for the usa national debt. it's already so fucking huge there's absolutely no hope of getting it off your back.

Yup. Prepare to be suck on a lot of Chinese, yellow dick for the years to come, as they own the majority of your debt bonds, and if they want to pull the plug they can really ruin a lot of countries' shit, including the USA.

Maes said:

Yup. Prepare to be suck on a lot of Chinese, yellow dick for the years to come, as they own the majority of your debt bonds, and if they want to pull the plug they can really ruin a lot of countries' shit, including the USA.

And how much of the Chinese enconomy do you think relies on the US as a trading partner? If China "kill" America, they'll be doing just the same thing to themselves too.

Maes said:

Yup. Prepare to be suck on a lot of Chinese, yellow dick for the years to come, as they own the majority of your debt bonds, and if they want to pull the plug they can really ruin a lot of countries' shit, including the USA.

...and that is China's fault?

arrrgh said:

...and that is China's fault?

Knowing their shit is hardly a fault.

Super Jamie said:

And how much of the Chinese economy do you think relies on the US as a trading partner? If China "kill" America, they'll be doing just the same thing to themselves too.

Nah, they'll just turn the USA into a big sweatshop, take over their overseas assets (including oil wells in Iraq), dissolve unprofitable enterprises (like occupation of Afghanistan) and pillage their natural resources, so they can keep building the shit they are trading with the rest of the world, especially with us pinko europeans :-p

And in the name of "free market", the USA will bend over to take it all the way in. Hell, they will even sell nukes for scrap in order to pay back some of the debt ;-) Wake up Yankees, you'll be going under commissioning! :-p

Maes said:

Knowing their shit is hardly a fault.

Well yeah, but the way you worded it I got the wrong message.