xvertigox Posted July 23, 2011 For me Doom and deathcore go hand in hand I was wondering if there were any other deathcore fans here on DW. For those who don't know deathcore is a mix of death metal with hardcore or metalcore. There's a huge diversity in deathcore so many bands sound very different (down tempo slamming deathcore vs progressive deathcore vs core heavy deathcore etc) Some bands I enjoy: Carnifex Whitechaple Chelsea Grin Suicide Silence Cuz Seven Ate Nine I Declare War Suicidal Massacre Disfiguring the Goddess Sumatra Abby Martin Examples of deathcore http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvCzAdI5qbQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxnXnBZ4cw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYM0lRuiLZc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttn1otpx7zA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh4T8sJHFZI If you don't listen to any extreme metal it'll probably just sound like shit or noise but so much of it is really technical and awesome once you learn how it works etc I know metal isn't everyones cup of tea but it just goes so well with Doom I'll be surprised if no one else likes deathcore ;o 0 Share this post Link to post
Technician Posted July 23, 2011 You know, I'm a fan of both death and core, but not deathcore. Strange, eh? 0 Share this post Link to post
xvertigox Posted July 23, 2011 I know a couple of people like that. I imagine you'd like some bands that lean to either extreme of the spectrum as there's some really deathmetal sounding bands and some really core sounding bands. All of this is assuming you weren't making a joke ;p 0 Share this post Link to post
Reisal Posted July 23, 2011 I prefer metal music that lacks -core but if I must listen to -core based, it must sound more metal than -core. 0 Share this post Link to post
xvertigox Posted July 23, 2011 Mr. Chris said:I prefer metal music that lacks -core but if I must listen to -core based, it must sound more metal than -core. How about this or this? I find that most people who prefer deathmetal over deathcore dislike deathcore because of the breakdowns, is that the case for you? 0 Share this post Link to post
yellowmadness54 Posted July 23, 2011 no deathcore sucks, as well metalcore. Just heavy, doom, prog, sludge, death, black metals for me. Candlemass, judas priest, alice in chains, iron maiden, Bolt Thrower, mastodon, bloodthorn, etc 0 Share this post Link to post
xvertigox Posted July 23, 2011 yellowmadness54 said:no deathcore sucks, as well metalcore. Just heavy, doom, prog, sludge, death, black metals for me. Candlemass, judas priest, alice in chains, iron maiden, Bolt Thrower, mastodon, bloodthorn, etc Fair enough. Why don't you like it? I'm curious as it can be very similar to the genres you mentioned you like (especially death and black metal) 0 Share this post Link to post
Use Posted July 23, 2011 If I'm going to hear vocals like that through a whole song, the music really has to back it up, and deathcore just..doesn't, for me anyway. I do believe 40oz likes this stuff a lot though. 0 Share this post Link to post
Du Mhan Yhu Posted July 23, 2011 Does Abigail Williams count? http://youtu.be/6rzbKU3eUXE I like alot of stuff. Speed metal, thrash, punk. Anything that's not rap really. I love 3 inches of blood (not really deathcore, but a great band. Especially their old stuff) http://youtu.be/XUd4Cbc49mg 0 Share this post Link to post
xvertigox Posted July 23, 2011 Use3D said:If I'm going to hear vocals like that through a whole song, the music really has to back it up, and deathcore just..doesn't, for me anyway. I do believe 40oz likes this stuff a lot though. Ah yup. I like the grimness of the music (crushing breakdowns etc) but I see where you're coming from. Do you like any metal? Does Abigail Williams count? Kinda but not really. It's more like blackened metalcore. They're leet though :> I like alot of stuff. Speed metal, thrash, punk. Anything that's not rap really. Me too. Bright Eyes, The Honorary Title, Dolly Parton, Thursday, Senses Fail, 1200 Micrograms, Boards of Canada etc. I like every genre of music really, the band just has to be good. There's also awesome rap too. Check this out for grim as fuck rap and this for sweet nerdcore. mc chris is so good. 0 Share this post Link to post
40oz Posted July 23, 2011 I do believe Use3d likes to wear his pants backwards and write love poems and watch sex and the city as well as make false assumptions about people he doesn't like. 0 Share this post Link to post
Marnetmar Posted July 23, 2011 I say that any genre of "Metal" that ends in core is shit. 0 Share this post Link to post
xvertigox Posted July 23, 2011 Marnetmar said:I say that any genre of "Metal" that ends in core is shit. Stuff like this confuses me because there is such a huge range of core bands that a statement like that seems like a big generalization. There's bands that are almost black metal, almost doom etc but still deathcore. Many deathcore bands have a minimal core influence. I know I sound like a fanboy atm but honestly I'm not, these are genuine questions. 0 Share this post Link to post
yellowmadness54 Posted July 23, 2011 xvertigox said:Fair enough. Why don't you like it? I'm curious as it can be very similar to the genres you mentioned you like (especially death and black metal) Its the vocals and instruments. For example, in say, Bolt Thrower's songs, there is an obvious ammount of alot of instrumental talent, rather than just chugging a guitar. And need I even mention Hearts Alive by Mastodon : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs2ZsxPMdL4 extremely good instrumental wise, and the vocals are even good inspite of their yelling. 0 Share this post Link to post
DoomUK Posted July 23, 2011 Deathcore takes the very worst of death metal and repackages it in the form of a standalone genre consisting of un-brutal and unimaginative pig squeals and repetitive, boring riffs. Sometimes being performed by people with silly emo haircuts. I can't help but feel it's someone's attempt to make death metal marketable to the masses, like what metalcore tried to do to extreme metal in general before it. So no, I don't care for it. But if you like it then listen to it, I don't give a shit. Listen to Korn and Slipknot too if that's your bag. 0 Share this post Link to post
Technician Posted July 23, 2011 40oz said:I do believe Use3d likes to wear his pants backwards and write love poems and watch sex and the city as well as make false assumptions about people he doesn't like. What assumption? You think his comment about finding deathcore music lacking offensive enough that it becomes an insult when thrown at you? He didn't call you a homo, dude. 0 Share this post Link to post
xvertigox Posted July 23, 2011 DoomUK said:Deathcore takes the very worst of death metal and repackages it in the form of a standalone genre consisting of un-brutal and unimaginative pig squeals and repetitive, boring riffs. Sometimes being performed by people with silly emo haircuts. I can't help but feel it's someone's attempt to make death metal marketable to the masses, like what metalcore tried to do to extreme metal in general before it. So no, I don't care for it. But if you like it then listen to it, I don't give a shit. Listen to Korn and Slipknot too if that's your bag. Yeah some of it's faggot commercial shit but there is legit good deathcore. Sounds like you've heard a few songs and seen a picture of some scene looking band and denounced the whole genre. You would probably like progressive deathcore which is quite different to the generic deathcore. But you're right, there is a lot of shitty generic deathcore but there's also good shit just like any genre. Comparing it to Korn and Slipknot is just ridiculous though. 0 Share this post Link to post
DoomUK Posted July 23, 2011 xvertigox said:Comparing it to Korn and Slipknot is just ridiculous though. I didn't. I thought all the songs you provided in your OP were crap, too. So it can't be that I'm listening to the wrong stuff. 0 Share this post Link to post
xvertigox Posted July 23, 2011 DoomUK said:I didn't. I thought all the songs you provided in your OP were crap, too. So it can't be that I'm listening to the wrong stuff. Oh ok, I guess it's just not for you, that's cool. If you don't like it you don't like it. 0 Share this post Link to post
Koko Ricky Posted July 23, 2011 I like me some death metal, and I like me some hardcore (the traditional style, not the "tough guy" variety), but deathcore gives me AIDS every time I listen to it. I've been into extreme music for about 12 years, so I got exposed to a much earlier breed of aggressive metal/core. I haven't heard anything that has really impressed me from the genre. 0 Share this post Link to post
DoomUK Posted July 23, 2011 xvertigox said:Oh ok, I guess it's just not for you, that's cool. If you don't like it you don't like it. FWIW a lot of generic death and black metal leaves much the same impression on me. As well as grindcore and it's various derivatives (pornogrind, deathgrind, goregrind etc). Napalm Death and Carcass got better when they stopped making the chaotic noise they were known for in their very early days. But I'll shut up and let the thread go back to talking about deathcore. 0 Share this post Link to post
xvertigox Posted July 23, 2011 DoomUK said:But I'll shut up and let the thread go back to talking about deathcore. Nah man, it's interesting. I wanted to discuss music and that's what we're doing. I'm not a big fan of grind at all either. Occasionally there's a reasonable song I hear but by and large it's just shit to me. Musical spam. I like me some death metal, and I like me some hardcore (the traditional style, not the "tough guy" variety), but deathcore gives me AIDS every time I listen to it. I've been into extreme music for about 12 years, so I got exposed to a much earlier breed of aggressive metal/core. I haven't heard anything that has really impressed me from the genre. What about it don't you like? There's certain bands that sound overly evil and grim with brutal breakdowns. What do you think about these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LNfyeaH-Ak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCmDK3lbDKQ 0 Share this post Link to post
DuckReconMajor Posted July 23, 2011 Okay I like screaming. I've gotten to where I can tolerate growling. But burping? Really? Though I do love hardcore and generally prefer punk to metal. 0 Share this post Link to post
Jodwin Posted July 23, 2011 I like good melodic music, regardless of genre. This is just horrible noise (plus overuse of double bass). 0 Share this post Link to post
xvertigox Posted July 23, 2011 Jodwin said:I like good melodic music, regardless of genre. This is just horrible noise (plus overuse of double bass). I was waiting for this reply. 0 Share this post Link to post
DoomUK Posted July 23, 2011 DuckReconMajor said:But burping? Really? As much as I like Dying Fetus (death metal), I think John Gallagher's style of growls probably started the whole trend, at least in part:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_WGRqtI9z4 (0:38) 0 Share this post Link to post
DeathevokatioN Posted July 23, 2011 I can't stand deathcore. I prefer metal that focuses more on riffs than on breakdowns. Also, I like metal that isn't inspired by rap. 0 Share this post Link to post
j4rio Posted July 23, 2011 Out of deathcore the only thing I do quite like is this. The rest gets boring after a few listens for me. Not calling this genre bad... just boring. 0 Share this post Link to post
durian Posted July 23, 2011 I'm not especially keen on this kind of music, primarily because I find the vocals to be, well, silly, and I don't find it to be very structurally interesting. However, I am highly partial to somewhat unpleasant noise, so it at least ticks that box. But I'd rather listen to something that isn't built around a song, and uses a less conventional sound pallette (i.e. fewer/no overdriven guitars). These are two examples from two very different genres (breakcore and noise music). There's also plenty of free-jazz that could be similarly categorised as unpleasant noise. I'm interested in whether metal fans appreciate this kind of stuff, because there are obvious similarities. 0 Share this post Link to post