The official "invictius is trying to find very specific wads" thread (Ban/spam avoidance attempt)

[Barry Burton]

What WAD is it? What system are you running it on?

[invictius]

1 minute ago, R4L said:

What WAD is it? What system are you running it on?

 

https://vargskelethor.me/winners/wads/rottking - steeptown - 8dd07c1ce19fee7c.wad

 

On an i7-870 with geforce 710 (which is equal to about a 9800 but keep in mind gzdooms' unofficial requirements are "anything 10 years old or less" [word of Graf])

[Zulk RS]

I don't think it's the height. In my even more noob days, I made "Tall ceilings, the wad" and was able to successfully run it on a 512MB RAM Desktop.

[Barry Burton]

Seeing as it's a first gen i7 Lynnfield, I would hope you're at least running triple channel memory to get the most out of a 9 year old processor. Even then, it should have no issue running this WAD.

Edited April 20, 2018 by R4L

[invictius]

On 4/20/2018 at 11:05 PM, R4L said:

Seeing as it's a first gen i7 Lynnfield, I would hope you're at least running triple channel memory to get the most out of a 9 year old processor. Even then, it should have no issue running this WAD.

 

I don't think I've ever seen a board that has 6 ram slots.

[Barry Burton]

12 minutes ago, invictius said:

 

I don't think I've ever seen a board that has 6 ram slots.

 

That's not what that means, although there are boards with that many slots. A lot of server boards in industrial and military settings can have up to but not limited to 12 DIMM slots. Here's a board my job makes that supports up to 144GB of RAM over 12 DIMMs.

 

Triple channel means 3 DIMM slots running triple the memory bandwidth.

[invictius]

10 minutes ago, R4L said:

 

That's not what that means, although there are boards with that many slots. A lot of server boards in industrial and military settings can have up to but not limited to 12 DIMM slots. Here's a board my job makes that supports up to 144GB of RAM over 12 DIMMs.

 

Triple channel means 3 DIMM slots running triple the memory bandwidth.

 

Said system requires 16gb ram, I have 4 dimms but am guessing quad channel wasn't a thing until ddr4.

[bioshockfan90]

On 4/19/2018 at 4:21 PM, invictius said:

Is the excessive height the main reason this wad tanks the fps in gzdoom, on a crappy computer?

 

 

Run it in software mode, not OpenGL? Or use PRboom+.

[Barry Burton]

The things you find when you search Google...

[invictius]

Was there ever a height limit in vanilla?  Was just playing the vinesauce wad with ridiculous height differences and it made me wonder about vanilla.  I believe @Enjay mentioned in NJ_SOH a height difference in the pyramids level being a big deal back then.

[invictius]

Any maps that use the "kill cyb without weapons" premise that Cyberdreams was so good at?

[Nine Inch Heels]

4 minutes ago, invictius said:

Any maps that use the "kill cyb without weapons" premise that Cyberdreams was so good at?

Not quite, but here's something you may find interesting:
 

 

[invictius]

4 minutes ago, Nine Inch Heels said:

Not quite, but here's something you may find interesting:

 

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it's not really meant for ZDoom punching mechanics.  

 

Zdoom punching mechanics are different to vanilla/boom?

[Aquila Chrysaetos]

Yes. Boom and the vanilla engine read actor collision differently from how ZDoom does. They look at the center of the thing and register collision only for that, which could result in the well-known blockmap bug, in which a thing didn't "exist" in the blockmap because it was in two different blocks at once when standing on an edge. ZDoom fixed this by considering the volume of space (radius^2 * height) the monster occupied when checking for collision. This means that monsters like cyberdemons, masterminds, fatsos, and arachnotrons are much easier to hit (infinitely so with the fist) than in vanilla.

[LHSpanner]

On 4/29/2018 at 9:22 AM, invictius said:

Was there ever a height limit in vanilla?  Was just playing the vinesauce wad with ridiculous height differences and it made me wonder about vanilla.  I believe @Enjay mentioned in NJ_SOH a height difference in the pyramids level being a big deal back then.

 

There was no hard limit in vanilla other than that dictated by the numerical limits of signed 16 bit integers (minimum -16383, maximum +16384), but for various reasons the game struggled with very tall areas.  In early versions there was the Moiré effect, and in all versions there was the numeric overflow crash, which would cause parts of the memory to be overwritten and corrupted, resulting either in weird visual effects or the program crashing outright, depending on the part of memory affected.

[Linguica]

18 minutes ago, LHSpanner said:

There was no hard limit in vanilla other than that dictated by the numerical limits of signed 16 bit integers (minimum -16383, maximum +16384),

 

Wouldn't that be -32,768 to +32,767?

[LHSpanner]

2 minutes ago, Linguica said:

 

Wouldn't that be -32,768 to +32,767?

Yes, it would.  My mistake.

[Guest Unregistered account]

I made a joke wad where the player had to fall down a pit that was lowered to the exact maximum it could be without the engine crashing. It still causes HOMs and in GZDoom Builder some incredible weird texture stretching artifacts occasionally occur.

[invictius]

What's the framerate of the shotgun animation?  I was looking at a vanilla playthrough on a 386 at the same time as playing zdoom, and they both looked just as laggy.

[Nine Inch Heels]

36 minutes ago, invictius said:

What's the framerate of the shotgun animation?

Open the iWAD in SLADE, check how many frames are involved with firing a shotgun, look at how long the animation is in real time, and then you know the "framerate".

[invictius]

Does 3fps on an old 386 with vanilla look just as jerky as 3fps on a demanding gzdoom wad?

 

I like putting old systems through the wringer with benchmarks but I could just up the resolution of my low-end geforce instead.

[invictius]

On 3/26/2018 at 5:57 PM, Edward850 said:

Considering Doom.wad was ~11MB and designed to run on 4MB of RAM, you already know the answer to this question.

 

Someone said it only loads the resources it needs for the current map.