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(Private alphas in progress) Infernew, a Community Project

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Name: Morte (UPDATE 1) https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1C17sGSi_EL6d1fCvxxEZIiQq02bJ5tHE?usp=sharing

Inspired by: Mt. Erebus and Pandemonium

Build time: 3 weeks (I lost motivation part of the way through)

Music: Nobody Told Me About ID

Co-op support: Starts only

DM support: limited

Description: I attempted to model the level after Infernos unnatural architecture. I'm hoping to have this map sit at the end of an episode due to being themed after Mt. Erebus.

Demo: Included in link, tested in PrBoom 2.5.1.4
Map was mostly tested in Boom for Demo reasons.

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Morte1.jpgMorte2.jpgMorte3.jpg

Edited by Classicgamer6

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Two FDAs for @DMPhobos & @Classicgamer6

 

drx-CainaMorte-FDA.zip

Caina

Aside from those damaging sectors Urthar mentioned, my main issue would be the plasma rifle. I didn't notice it until after everything was dead and with an extra 100 cells in the exit room I left the level with 300 cells. I wasn't really hurting for shells either so I was pretty heavily overstocked for any subsequent level.

 

 

Morte

I had some issues with ammo leading up to the blue key doors. The secret teleport to the boat is missing a texture on the door track & you can't open it from the inside because there's an action line for the lift in front of it. It also has the best rewards which feels odd because it's the easiest to find and it's right at the end. The teleport out of the rocket launcher secret area doesn't work in complevel 2 because the teleporter sectors also have the tag and have a lower index than the landing zone. I couldn't get it to launch in chocolate but there are some visplane overflow hotspots out in the blood sea and more importantly also near the yellow door and on the boat.

Looking at drawsegs the map basically explodes.

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4 hours ago, Darox said:

Morte

I had some issues with ammo leading up to the blue key doors. The secret teleport to the boat is missing a texture on the door track & you can't open it from the inside because there's an action line for the lift in front of it. It also has the best rewards which feels odd because it's the easiest to find and it's right at the end. The teleport out of the rocket launcher secret area doesn't work in complevel 2 because the teleporter sectors also have the tag and have a lower index than the landing zone. I couldn't get it to launch in chocolate but there are some visplane overflow hotspots out in the blood sea and more importantly also near the yellow door and on the boat.

Looking at drawsegs the map basically explodes.

 

I've been taking a look at it and trying to fix the visplane issues. Problem is I can't figure out how to fix it. I however have adjusted the boat secret to give a blue armor instead of megasphere in addition to fixing both the lift and missing door texture. I'll give a link once I can find a fix for the visplane overflow.

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@Classicgamer6, this may help you if the answer is yes, but really I'm just asking because I don't know.

 

If you have discrete sectors that have the same properties (i.e. could be joined without any apparent difference in game), will joining them decrease the number of visplanes or did the engine already consider them the same anyway?

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See I read that joining sectors would help which is what I have been doing as a fix. I did just fix the door area right when I read your reply, all I did was add a few pillars and that fixed my problem.

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@HAK3180 If they have the same properties and are adjacent, they're already considered the same, I'm 99% sure. Then again I don't know if we're talking about drawsegs or visplanes, as visplanes are just the floors and ceilings.

 

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59 minutes ago, Aquila Chrysaetos said:

The real issue is what Darox noted as the drawseg overflow.

I am aware, that's why I was confused.

 

59 minutes ago, Aquila Chrysaetos said:

Drawseg overflow crashes Chocolate Doom in my experience.

Yes? Of course? Why wouldn't it? No it doesn't you fool!! How could anyone think that. I surely didn't.

 

I'll take a look at the map.

Edited by bonnie

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Morte weights in at about a Megabyte, which is a bad sign for a vanila map, and even attempting to open Visplane Explorer crashed DoomBuilder2 for me. Generally you have to be either very spartan (Doom E3M6) or very clever (BTSXE2 MAP01) to get big exteriors to work in the original engine.

 

Getting Morte to work, will probably require stripping out a lot of sector outlining, simplifying things generally, and adding large Line Of Sight blocks. Your interiors are probably fine.

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Well I'm not clever so I'll just remove the trim from each building that has it and some other minor details to reduce the file size and drawseg issue.

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Oh, I thought drawseg overflow just meant HOMage. But yeah, I can't get it to load at all in Chocolate or Chocorender, even after deleting probably almost half the map.

 

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I posted an updated version of my map. It fixes the visplane overflow by the yellow door but not the one on the ship, I am looking for help on how to fix that one. Other things to note is that I can boot this version in Chocolate Doom. I also fixed the teleporter not working and being stuck in the boat area.

One last thing is I want to thank everyone who has offered advice on how to fix my level it is really appreciated.

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9 hours ago, Aquila Chrysaetos said:

The real issue is what Darox noted as the drawseg overflow.

Drawseg overflow crashes Chocolate Doom in my experience.

 

Really? I've had a map that had drawseg overflows and it didn't crash Chocolate Doom. All it did for me (as HAK suggested) was cause HOM.

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I've played maps that Chocolate wouldn't run in area that had drawseg overflows, but not visplane overflows.

Either something else is going on or my machine's running Chocolate improperly, because I know it should cause the HOM's and not crash the engine.

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6 minutes ago, Aquila Chrysaetos said:

I've played maps that Chocolate wouldn't run in area that had drawseg overflows, but not visplane overflows.

Either something else is going on or my machine's running Chocolate improperly, because I know it should cause the HOM's and not crash the engine.

You may want to check with fraggle on the Chocolate Doom thread. I don't think it's supposed to be crashing like that, in that situation.

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No reason to ask him to support a seven year old machine that runs the worst Windows OS known to man. It can't even run Ultimate Doom with PRBoom+.

I'll have a new machine soon and it should run everything fine.

Regardless, testing in Chocolate is imperative for a vanilla map, and what you may need to do is reduce the size of the playing area, though I'm thinking that AD is probably right and that a total overhaul might be necessary.

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@bonnie I'm withdrawing from the project. Trying to get my level to work is proving too hard for someone of my skill level and rebuilding it from scratch will be too mentally draining. I was going to make a Slough inspired map as a replacement but unfortunately I have no ideas for it besides a very basic layout which I heavily doubt my ability to expand upon. I apologise in advance for any inconveniences this may cause.

Edited by Classicgamer6 : Dropping out

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5 hours ago, Classicgamer6 said:

@bonnie I'm withdrawing from the project. Trying to get my level to work is proving too hard for someone of my skill level and rebuilding it from scratch will be too mentally draining. I was going to make a Slough inspired map as a replacement but unfortunately I have no ideas for it besides a very basic layout which I heavily doubt my ability to expand upon. I apologise in advance for any inconveniences this may cause.

Well, but you can still release map stand alone and get feedback on it.

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Myst.Haruko is right--you can still release it and get feedback, which will be valuable. And when you release it, you have the option to put all of the detailing (trim, etc.) back in. And you don't have to worry about reducing the playing area. Just release your map as limit-removing.

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I'll try for another map to fill one of these empty slots, but it'll be a speedmap if anything and we shouldn't hope for a miracle.

I'll name is Tartarus, if that name isn't already taken.

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2 hours ago, Aquila Chrysaetos said:

I'll name is Tartarus, if that name isn't already taken.


Heh, i was gonna use that name until i settled for Caina when i had half of my map done

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FDA back ya, @Urtharbob_urth_penta.zip

 

I'm kind of obsessed with this map. There's just so much coolness here: the red/green use is inspired, the pentagon motif is neat visually and keeps the combat fresh, the progression and monster use (on UV) hit that "oppressive but fun" sweet spot for me, door crushers are a surreal and hilarious surprise, the two staircase traps are great. I could go on. I did catch one weird (not quite mis-) alignment here:

 

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Great job, I gotta check out some of your stuff.

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10 hours ago, Classicgamer6 said:

@bonnie I'm withdrawing from the project. Trying to get my level to work is proving too hard for someone of my skill level and rebuilding it from scratch will be too mentally draining. I was going to make a Slough inspired map as a replacement but unfortunately I have no ideas for it besides a very basic layout which I heavily doubt my ability to expand upon. I apologise in advance for any inconveniences this may cause.

Friend, I already told you what you needed to get started with fixing the map. The map is still potentially salvageable and I firmly believe you would be able to accomplish such a task. Please reconsider. Again. We can help on the discord.

 

We currently have lots of slots opening up as people are dropping out, so it looks like my dreams of making 3-4 maps is going to come true :o

I would prefer having new names join the project, but I'm okay with having people make multiple maps.

 

I had more to say but I already forgot.

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I really just don't have the motivation to work on this anymore. As I mentioned earlier I once again apologize for any inconvenience this may cause but my decision is final. 

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Tartarus

Inspired by: Limbo

Build time: 5 hours (+2 because of computer issues)

Music: Pick one for me.

Coop support: Starts only

DM support: None at the moment

Demo: In the zip accessed in the link above. UV-max, HMP-max, and HNTR-max

Screenshots:

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PVIZ9JY.png

 

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These two rooms are quite literally the entire map.

I'll add extremely rudimentary DM support, but this map is in no way constructed to be even remotely friendly for it.

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Thanks for the demo @Big Ol Billy , glad you like the map.

 

I'm sure there's a variety of texture glitches I haven't noticed. CtrlA does a pretty good job, but inevitably some bits of geometry won't wrap exactly.

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Thank you, @FrancisT18.

The misalignment you pointed out is because of the bricks above, which are aligned a specific way. All the corridors have those.

I couldn't think of a secret to add that would make sense. I almost added one to the first blood pit, but I removed it because nothing worked. There is a teleport in that one that I left there, but I won't be adding a teleport to the other. I think it adds to the fight and offering a way out, even punishing as that damage is, detracts from it, I think.

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@Aquila Chrysaetos

 

You're welcome. :) It seemed like a bit of a particularly cruel level, certainly a long ways harder than anything in Inferno. But given it is so short, it could be okay as is; perhaps as I had mentioned it may fit in best as a small level closer to the end of the wad.

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