Zemini Posted August 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Duke of Pathoris said: I was wondering that and hoping it would be a rogue UAC marine or security guard or whatever who decides not to let the demons win. Perhaps you could experiment with limitations - like one main weapon and one side arm limit, no glory kills, reliance on health packs. But that wouldn't be in the spirit of doom, now would it? It would be in the spirit of Doom 3. But I would see development time be used for real doom 4 content. 1 Share this post Link to post
Duke of Pathoris Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Zemini said: It would be in the spirit of Doom 3. But I would see development time be used for real doom 4 content. Problem would be the pacing. It would have to be a completely different pace than what the engine and host game is designed for. 0 Share this post Link to post
D88M Posted August 16, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 5:48 PM, Duke of Pathoris said: On that topic, a good expansion would be where they have remade, retextured and rebalanced versions of the original levels. Yeah that could do too 0 Share this post Link to post
A Nobody Posted August 17, 2018 DLC planned before the game even gets released? id Software, I seriously dislike you even more now. Not only do you make DLC instead of PUTTING IT IN THE GAME as an episode like with Ultimate Doom, you mention it before the game even gets released. 0 Share this post Link to post
igg Posted August 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, The-Heretic-Assassin said: DLC planned before the game even gets released? id Software, I seriously dislike you even more now. I don't have a problem with DLCs if done well. The Wolfenstein New Colossus DLC are a good example: Announced early, add new story elements without making the original game looking incomplete. 0 Share this post Link to post
A Nobody Posted August 17, 2018 3 hours ago, igg said: I don't have a problem with DLCs if done well. The Wolfenstein New Colossus DLC are a good example: Announced early, add new story elements without making the original game looking incomplete. Well, if Eternal's DLC will be free, then that's ok. c: 0 Share this post Link to post
seed Posted August 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, The-Heretic-Assassin said: Well, if Eternal's DLC will be free, then that's ok. c: And why should it be free to be ok? 1 Share this post Link to post
Duke of Pathoris Posted August 17, 2018 4 hours ago, The-Heretic-Assassin said: DLC planned before the game even gets released? id Software, I seriously dislike you even more now. Not only do you make DLC instead of PUTTING IT IN THE GAME as an episode like with Ultimate Doom, you mention it before the game even gets released. All DLCs seem to be planned before they were released, just like the multiplayer DLC for Doom 2016. Heck, SOD was planned while they were making Wolfenstein 3D. These guys plan ahead. And why did you have any reason to dislike id in the past? 0 Share this post Link to post
RightField Posted August 17, 2018 Dlc is just the modern name for expansion pack, which weren't free back in the 90s either. And since when is planning ahead a bad thing? 7 Share this post Link to post
Duke of Pathoris Posted August 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, RightField said: Dlc is just the modern name for expansion pack, which weren't free back in the 90s either. And since when is planning ahead a bad thing? Honestly, it seems like some people are just looking for excuses to complain. 3 Share this post Link to post
HeyItsDuke Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) On 8/11/2018 at 8:25 PM, Duke of Pathoris said: Don't worry, it's id. Has id ever done something like that before? Not yet, But ZeniMax owns them now. And that sounds like something ZeniMax and Bethesda would do. So We'll see. (I don't hate ZeniMax and Bethesda though, I love The Elder Scrolls and Fallout.) 0 Share this post Link to post
BLλZING_DUST Posted August 17, 2018 The game's not even out, yet there's some DLC talk. Greedy much? 0 Share this post Link to post
A Nobody Posted August 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Duke of Pathoris said: All DLCs seem to be planned before they were released, just like the multiplayer DLC for Doom 2016. Heck, SOD was planned while they were making Wolfenstein 3D. These guys plan ahead. And why did you have any reason to dislike id in the past? Well I don't hate id, but I disliked their approach to turn Wolfenstein into a modern fps series. I also disliked microtransactions added into Quake with QC. 0 Share this post Link to post
A Nobody Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, RightField said: Dlc is just the modern name for expansion pack, which weren't free back in the 90s either. And since when is planning ahead a bad thing? The thing is, DLC should have been added in from the beginning while there was still development time. Why waste minutes announcing it? Just put it in the game while you still can. 0 Share this post Link to post
Duke of Pathoris Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, The-Heretic-Assassin said: Well I don't hate id, but I disliked their approach to turn Wolfenstein into a modern fps series. I also disliked microtransactions added into Quake with QC. They didn't do Wolfenstein. QC is a free game anyway, so microtransactions support it. If it were $60 I'd cry foul but seriously, no big deal. 1 Share this post Link to post
A Nobody Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Duke of Pathoris said: They didn't do Wolfenstein. QC is a free game anyway, so microtransactions support it. If it were $60 I'd cry foul but seriously, no big deal. Really? Who made The New Order and Colossus then? Quake Champions was not free from the beginning. 0 Share this post Link to post
Duke of Pathoris Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, The-Heretic-Assassin said: Really? Who made The New Order and Colossus then? Quake Champions was not free from the beginning. For Wolfesntein: Machinegames, also Zenimax but not id. id only contributed the engine. Regardless, New Order (not played Colossus) is one of the most fun modern games I've played. QC was intended to be free from the beginning but they only recently made it free. People who paid unlocked champions. 2 Share this post Link to post
Liberation Posted August 17, 2018 If Doom 2016 had SP dlc, I would of gladly bought it. The game was good fun and a good length for a modern game, so I'm happy to buy more of the same. @The-Heretic-Assassin Have you even played Doom 2016 yet? 1 Share this post Link to post
indigotyrian Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 50 minutes ago, The-Heretic-Assassin said: The thing is, DLC should have been added in from the beginning while there was still development time. Why waste minutes announcing it? Just put it in the game while you still can. id knows they have deadlines to hit with the game. Time and manpower aren't infinite resources. DLC announced pre-release doesn't mean "stuff planning in the base game that was scrapped," it means "stuff created post-launch." Even if a map or a weapon or an enemy is scrapped and re-introduced via DLC, it means that id still has to put it into the actual game, polish it up, rejigger it to make it work with the final product, etc. If your argument is that "id/Bethesda/ZeniMax is just trying to make money by gimping their art," then perhaps your real issue isn't with DLC but with something else. 2 Share this post Link to post
Duke of Pathoris Posted August 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, segfault said: id knows they have deadlines to hit with the game. Time and manpower aren't infinite resources. DLC announced pre-release doesn't mean "stuff planning in the base game that was scrapped," it means "stuff created post-launch." Even if a map or a weapon or an enemy is scrapped and re-introduced via DLC, it means that id still has to put it into the actual game, polish it up, rejigger it to make it work with the final product, etc. Couldn't have said it better myself. If it is an activision/bungie destiny 2 style thing where you already have the DLC when you buy the vanilla but must pay to unlock it, it will be trouble. 0 Share this post Link to post
A Nobody Posted August 18, 2018 7 hours ago, Averagewalrus23.9 said: It's less of a "We're putting content we were planning behind a paywall" situation, and more of a "We're supporting the game post launch with DLC" situation. When they stated that they were going to be making single player DLC for Eternal, they also stated that the reason for this was that people wanted single player DLC for DOOM 2016. Edit: @segfault Already said this, darn. I would love for Eternal to have new single player content, but I want a complete game. 0 Share this post Link to post
Duke of Pathoris Posted August 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, The-Heretic-Assassin said: I would love for Eternal to have new single player content, but I want a complete game. Then you get 1.5 complete games. 1 Share this post Link to post
seed Posted August 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, The-Heretic-Assassin said: I would love for Eternal to have new single player content, but I want a complete game. No one said the base game's going to be lackluster without the post-launch DLC. We don't even know what the SP DLC is going to be about, all we know is that it's coming, why the need to expect an incomplete product without it when we haven't even seen the full game yet to make our own minds. 0 Share this post Link to post
DooM_RO Posted August 18, 2018 18 hours ago, The-Heretic-Assassin said: DLC planned before the game even gets released? id Software, I seriously dislike you even more now. Not only do you make DLC instead of PUTTING IT IN THE GAME as an episode like with Ultimate Doom, you mention it before the game even gets released. That's standard practice and not for the reasons you think. Games get content-locked many months before release after which the optimization and bug-fixing phase starts during which artists and many other departments don't really have anything to do so they start working on DLC instead of just sitting around 2 Share this post Link to post
indigotyrian Posted August 18, 2018 8 hours ago, The-Heretic-Assassin said: I would love for Eternal to have new single player content, but I want a complete game. You are getting a complete game with Eternal. 0 Share this post Link to post