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[Poll] Do you still play wads with brutal doom?

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    • Yes, often
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    • Yes, from time to time
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    • No, I've had enough of BD
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    • No, I've never played with it
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On 1/4/2019 at 3:01 PM, guitardz said:

It's popular on Reddit and YouTube, not so much on Doomworld.

Sargent Mark IV is an asshole and a bunch of people on Youtube, Doomworld, Reddit, Realm667 (Somehow), and basically every other platform was a bunch of assholes trying to ruin authors reps and giving them hate and basically being an ass in every way possible because it wasn't compatible that's why it got so much hate and that's why I love Doomworld at the same time because people aren't treating it like the Holy Grail of Doom mods here anymore.

 

The mod gets stale really fast the first time I played it I beat 3 heures d'agonie 1 with it and I couldn't stand playing it after that cause it wasn't fun last time I played it was when I tried project brutality 3.0 which is basically it's own mod but it uses files from Brutal Doom making it an Addon the author is a total douche but the mod is good just because the guy is an ass doesn't mean I'm gonna lie about his work.

 

3 hours ago, Woolie Wool said:

Has anyone tracked how Doom 4 has affected the popularity of Brutal Doom? Doom 4 struck me the moment I first played it as being much, much better at being Brutal Doom than Brutal Doom.

Yeah it boosted the popularity quite a bit and brought a whole bunch of edgy 12 year-olds to the fanbase that's where all the annoying shit from brutal doom came from aside from the author ruining his own mod by being a douche. Doom 4 isn't like Brutal doom to me because it has gameplay that doesn't get stale after a while I could still replay Doom right now without getting bored to the run as long as I'm above the power fantasy difficulty's 

 

2 hours ago, TakenStew22 said:

I thought Brutal Doom was okay when I played it, but after I finished Doom 1 and played a little bit of Doom 2 with it I generally lost interest in the mod. It just gets stale after awhile.

 

Oh yeah, and if the rumors surrounding the author of the mod are true, then he's kind of a jerk.

Yeah basically that sums up the mod.

 

 

 

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I built my channel up initially on Brutal Doom starting around February 2011 through mid 2014, officially ended its use January 2015 as I built up my own similar mod called Random Deaths & Decoration. I just stopped caring about Brutal Doom and its offshoots like Project Brutality.

How the mod still has relevancy or appeal in 2019, I don't know.

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9 hours ago, Woolie Wool said:

Brutal Doom just strikes me as Doom for people who like the idea of Doom, but don't really like Doom itself.

 

I have the same perception. And judging by what I've seen, some BD fans seem to be solely interested in the mod and not the games themselves. At least that seems to be the case with the classics.

 

By the way, I'm getting pretty tired of seeing people attacking the author. He might have done what he's done, but it's baffling how there doesn't seem to be any difference between the author and their work these days. I see this with artists more often than I'd like too. "What? The guy's an idiot/racist/whatever-you-want-here?" == "His work must be junk too."

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Brutal Doom was pretty fun experience but as I got better at playing vanilla, I started to feel that Brutal Doom is not for me. I feel that it is too chaotic and random, making it less satisfying to play and it just breaks some maps as a skill based experience. I do also feel that playing Brutal Doom is harmful to player's vanilla doom skills. I have learned that I like more classic feeling gameplay mods than mods like BD that make doom almost like a completely different game with massive changes to basic gameplay. Brutal Doom is also just pretty bloated and needs better hardware to run well that are also things that I don't like. 

 

For me, Complex Doom has replaced Brutal Doom as the mod that I play when I sometimes want something else than classic vanilla.

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sometimes but i think i've had enough of it for now. if i play it, i disable the reload on all weapons. but then still, it's just very loud and noisy, plus the screenshake. it's just more exhausting to play than the vanilla game.

 

i tend to stick with the bolognese.wad. but even there i had to make small adjustments to the hit sounds. well, i removed them entirely, because they overlapped with the weapons sounds which created a completely different feel. i have set it so that it sounds like vanilla but with more blood and gore. there are still the dripping sounds from blood on the ceiling and stuff. but other than that it's vanilla.

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7 hours ago, Agent6 said:

By the way, I'm getting pretty tired of seeing people attacking the author. He might have done what he's done, but it's baffling how there doesn't seem to be any difference between the author and their work these days. I see this with artists more often than I'd like too. "What? The guy's an idiot/racist/whatever-you-want-here?" == "His work must be junk too."

 

I mean, people are free to dislike a mod for whatever reason they want. If Sgt. Mark IV's shitty behavior is reason enough for his mod to leave a bad taste in their mouth (especially in cases directly related to Brutal Doom, such as the "real gore" addon or racist jokes directly in the code's comments), it's relevant to the thread, IMO.

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11 minutes ago, TheMightyHeracross said:

I mean, people are free to dislike a mod for whatever reason they want. If Sgt. Mark IV's shitty behavior is reason enough for his mod to leave a bad taste in their mouth (especially in cases directly related to Brutal Doom, such as the "real gore" addon or racist jokes directly in the code's comments), it's relevant to the thread, IMO.

 

Agreed, they can dislike it for whatever reason they have, just like me, and if the author contributes or contributed to its reputation or quality in the way you mentioned it's fair and deserved, for better or worse.

 

My point was that it is often not the case these days, when there's no more distinction between the author and their craft and the way some people draw conclusions or make their minds about something, by directly looking at the person who was responsible for it but maybe not even taking a look at what they have created.

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I was, at one point, a long time ago, a hardcore fan of Brutal Doom. Brutal Doom wasn't what got me into Doom (I can't remember what did), but I used to play most mods with Brutal Doom. That was, however, until I found out about some of the things that Mark has said about and to people.

 

I'm just gonna get this out of the way: The final nail in the coffin was when I found out that a long time ago, Mark told an extremely depressed user on ZDoom Forums to kill himself and even gave him a tutorial on how to do so.

 

Encouraging someone to kill themselves is never a good thing, and even joking about it is very bad.

 

If anyone reading my post has been considering suicide, PLEASE DO NOT! There are people who care about you and would be really sad to see you go. Talk to a friend or family member who loves you about how you feel. There should also be a local phone number for a Suicide Hotline that you would be able to call.

 

I will never forget Chester Bennington of Linkin Park fame. I loved his singing, and when I found out that he killed himself the day after it happened... I cried for hours.

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8 hours ago, crazyflyingdonut said:

I will never forget Chester Bennington of Linkin Park fame. I loved his singing, and when I found out that he killed himself the day after it happened... I cried for hours.

 

And people showed how retarded they are as well. I remember seeing tons of people making comments like "good" and "who cares" back when it happened, guess they succumbed to a new all-time low.

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12 hours ago, crazyflyingdonut said:

I'm just gonna get this out of the way: The final nail in the coffin was when I found out that a long time ago, Mark told an extremely depressed user on ZDoom Forums to kill himself and even gave him a tutorial on how to do so.

God damn. I just heard that said user was a regular kid on the forums arguing with Mark, but a depressed person? That's going too far. And if that's true, then Mark truly is a pathetic and disgusting individual.

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21 hours ago, Agent6 said:

My point was that it is often not the case these days, when there's no more distinction between the author and their craft and the way some people draw conclusions or make their minds about something, by directly looking at the person who was responsible for it but maybe not even taking a look at what they have created. 

If someone doesn't like Brutal Doom solely because Mark is a neo-Nazi, that's their prerogative and there should be zero stipulations attached to it. A person is more important than the art they make.

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Not quite like I used too, though I really love playing it and Project Brutality. Its come a long way from the earlier versions and I love Sarge's dedication to it. I'm not tired or bored of it, but I find myself playing Vanilla Doom and mods that enhance Doom but leave Vanilla style gameplay intact like Random Deaths And Decorations, Enhanced Vanilla Project, and Beautiful Doom.

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