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a "deluxe edition" of the Master Levels

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As for the commercial and official levels, I use this for PrBoom-Plus for my personal enjoyment:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r62xb1hbanpjd31/master.zip?dl=1

 

Order of the levels and music picks are basically the @Xaser´s picks as created by this tool. And the CWILVxx and INTERPIC lumps were borrowed from @MadGuy´s mlbls.wad. Unfortunately, I am really bad at choosing a climatic and fitting music piece for the levels and at choosing the most proper order for a succession of loose levels, so I cannot tell anything concerning the extra free levels.

Edited by Diabolución : Silly errata (feeting -> fitting)

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Well that Mustaine map has always been a mess on HMP, but tagging the blue key for medium skill would be a minor qol change.

 

Part of the fun of a collection like this is curation and continuous play, but I've no experience in music collection. I'd love to see what @Xaser and @kmxexii could input on level order and music selection. But yes, these maps are playable pistol start, so I'm glad it's optional. I'd set it off by default myself.

 

If this is going to require Doom Complete, might I suggest auto loading that IWAD, if dragging and dropping, via GAMEINFO? I mean if UDoom is not included it could be a problem, but I think it might be better.

 

I don't think Mustaine's Final Doom maps are necessary, but I see no issue with them being included. It's not like his works were part of a bigger collection like Anderson's.

 

Also what features of MAPINFO are we talking about? I don't recall EMAPINFO having pistol start functionality though. And I don't think EE likes underscores in internal map names. There's something it doesn't like about Doom Complete. It loads Plutonia's MAP01, heh. I think supporting EE would truly require a remake, definitely a unique EMAPINFO. So that's up to someone who loves EE to do. But most of the other Master Levels collections, both commercial and deluxe, are ZDoom family only, so I'm okay with this being so as well.

 

This is great, and very convenient. I am excited to see this become the standard method of playing through the extended works from the masters.

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On lundi 17 juin 2019 at 8:57 AM, JPL said:

- Lastly, I don't have an official title for this project yet. My first idea was "Master Levels Deluxe Edition", but Chris Klie said he wasn't necessarily comfortable using the phrase "Master Levels", out of possible confusion with the retail product. Kvernmo felt the opposite, that it benefitted from that specific association. I suggested "Works of the Masters".

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On 6/17/2019 at 3:57 AM, JPL said:

- Lastly, I don't have an official title for this project yet. My first idea was "Master Levels Deluxe Edition", but Chris Klie said he wasn't necessarily comfortable using the phrase "Master Levels", out of possible confusion with the retail product. Kvernmo felt the opposite, that it benefitted from that specific association. I suggested "Works of the Masters".

''Ultimate Masters Works'' could be a good name, as this compilatios is trying to be the definitive way to play this levels. Hope Xaser let you use his UDTWID E4M8 in this project. Check this out, it is a mock up, but gives the idea; could be the TITLEPIC or the BOSSBACK or some kind of EndPic:


(PIC REMOVED)

 

-As for the music, i know its just a compilation wad, but this deserves a totally new MIDI pack. This levels, although old, are gold. I dreamed a lot about playing the Inferno serie by Dr. Sleep and also Sverre Kvernmo's Cabal serie.

This NEEDS a MIDI pack.

-Its a shame it can't be vanilla compatible as Doom 2 episode's textscreens will disrupt the levels set.

-As for the ending text for the levels sets, if we knew how the story goes for them, we can write a decent ending text.

-Chris Klie set of levels could be named CK_Triumph, aa little homenage and reference to the Chris Klie's BF_THUD!.wad (what's a BF_THUD?)

-I suggest to add Mustain's Evilution maps, maybe retextured a little, to be independent of their TNT incarnation.

-Although the original Masters Levels were intended for pistol start (bad move from Id, it surely would be better to be another full megawads), i'm with Kvermmo in this. Doom, whatever incarnation it takes, is meant to be played as a continuous play. But as dying and not saving, back in those days, was a natural posibility, they designed the maps with the idea of the player dying in the process. So, the maps as they are surely will be good as pistol start or continuous play.

 

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This is a decent research. Why didn't this "project" receive appropriate attention?

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Hi, I haven't forgotten about this project, and did some work on it today. New download link, which unlike the Dropbox one should remain stable:
http://vectorpoem.com/doom/masters_alpha.zip

 

Changes since the last build I put up over a year ago:

  • author credit text for all maps, seen on GZDoom intermission screen.
  • added episode end text for Titan and Inferno episodes, with a dedication to each author.
  • added cabal 1-7 readme to historical readmes folder, as it has lots of story and info that isn't in the CABALL readme.
  • removed zscript-based pistol start option and replaced it with a MAPINFO ResetHealth/ResetInventory, for all episodes except Cabal (whose author balanced the CABALL.WAD maps for non-pistol-start)
  • changed map sequence of Titan episode from release order to one that works better for episode pacing.
  • chose non-default skies and music for Klie outtakes, subjectively based on each map's themes.
  • fixed a bad floor height in "Trouble on Titan" that made a secret inaccessible - my error, not Jim Flynn's.

 

I'd still appreciate any sort of feedback from anyone who plays this!

 

One more thing: can anyone confirm Jim Flynn's birth year as 1952? In Lee Killough's thread announcing his passing, he mentions Jim was 66, but that means he could have been born in either 1951 or 1952. The 2018 Cacoward tribute to him says "~1952 - 2018" but, er, if for no other reason than that Doom's default font doesn't have the ~ character, it'd be nice to have a definite year.

 

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If this is going to require Doom Complete, might I suggest auto loading that IWAD, if dragging and dropping, via GAMEINFO? I mean if UDoom is not included it could be a problem, but I think it mig ht be better.

I just tried that, and for some reason "doom_complete.pk3" doesn't work in a GAMEINFO lump the way "doom2.wad" etc do. This might be a bug in GZDoom.

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On 6/17/2019 at 4:57 PM, JPL said:
  • Titan (Jim Flynn's series, set on Jupiter's largest moon)

 

 

Titan is actually a moon of Saturn.

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1 hour ago, pcorf said:

 

Titan is actually a moon of Saturn.

Haha, you'd think I'd have gotten that right considering that it's incredibly visible in the levels' sky art!

titan_saturn.jpg.ab11d0c1f3306b3d12e072ccba53e578.jpg

Fixed. I don't think I made that mistake anywhere in the project's text data, thankfully.

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New build, as usual at http://vectorpoem.com/doom/masters_alpha.zip

 

Changes since the 2020-07-05 version:

  • Reordered episodes for pacing: Chris Klie, then Cabal, then the Willits/Chasar + Mustaine episode, then Titan, then Inferno.
  • Titan episode: switched Mines of Titan and Titan Anomaly back to original order. Mines is still a slightly odd one to start with but I decided it wasn't worth breaking the readme story order.
  • Cabal episode: fixes in Temple of Death and Image of Evil to make 100% secrets possible. Nudged some armor bonuses in Image of Evil that were half stuck in walls to make 100% items possible.
  • Inferno episode: fix in Dante's Gate to make 100% secrets possible.
  • Willits/Chasar + Mustaine episode: tagged blue key for medium difficulty in Tom Mustaine's Doom2 MAP14 homage.
  • Added Theresa Chasar's name to the episode with her contributions in it.
  • Reduced title screen art to 320x240 for a more 1995 feel.

Not sure any further changes are needed to the maps themselves, unless someone finds any bugs.

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It's a small thing, but I think the last two Inferno levels should have the names Dr. Sleep originally intended for them, Chiron and Waters of Lethe. I'm also not sure why the textures have been converted to PNG. Leaving them as they are would keep them from looking out of place if a palette modification like PalPlus or ColdPal is loaded with this.

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On 7/11/2020 at 8:03 AM, SiFi270 said:

It's a small thing, but I think the last two Inferno levels should have the names Dr. Sleep originally intended for them, Chiron and Waters of Lethe. I'm also not sure why the textures have been converted to PNG. Leaving them as they are would keep them from looking out of place if a palette modification like PalPlus or ColdPal is loaded with this.

 

Ah, I hadn't realized I just defaulted to extracting the graphics as PNG. I re-extracted them as lumps and the Titan maps work as expected with palette mods now.

 

I renamed E4M7 to Chiron to reflect the author's intent. But I left the final map as "An End to Darkness", since it is only a tribute by another author and not Dr. Sleep's actual intended Waters of Lethe, which sadly is probably lost to time. Xaser's map has a hidden dedication in a texture (that can't be seen without noclip, as far as I can tell) that makes specific mention of Waters of Lethe and I'm happy to leave it at that.

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I dunno if this changes things any, but the map was named "Lethe" during development, so it's about as official a name for the map as Chiron is for E4M7.

 

The map was assigned an E4-sounding title from (I believe) Alfonzo, to fit the King James naming scheme (and I kinda dig it 'cause it has "end" in it :P ), i.e. it's also an aftermarket title like And Hell Followed was. IMO it probably makes sense to use the Sleep-ish names (Chiron+Lethe) for both.

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Hi again. This project is now hosted on itch.io, with a semi-fancy page and stuff:
https://jp.itch.io/deluxe-master-levels
Until it's ready for full public release I've locked it behind a password, "dewm", but anyone here who's interested should feel free to have a look.

 

Changes since last build:

  • Added masters_readme.html, which includes instructions on how to run the compilation and an essay-format writeup on the project, its slice of Doom history, and individual levels. Still a work in progress, pretty much the last thing I have to finish. The parts of the doc that are still being worked on are clearly marked.
  • On Xaser's advice, renamed the final level of Inferno to "Waters of Lethe".
  • Renamed internal map filenames to their original WAD filenames - only affects map name as displayed in automap.

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Only yesterday I actually merged all Flynn maps together with the rest of the unused Master levels, which took me the better part of the day since I did the texture comparisons manually in order to eliminate conflicts. Now this is released and I realize I did everything pretty much for nothing. Epic facepalm moment.

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JPL, will you include a way to naturally smoosh this into a Wadsmoosh as an option to replace the usual Master Levels package?

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The Master Level episode in WadSmoosh's doom_complete.pk3 begins at map ML_MAP01, so if the "Deluxe Master Levels" start at ML_MAP01, they'll naturally replace the Master Level episode from WadSmoosh.

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6 hours ago, Gez said:

The Master Level episode in WadSmoosh's doom_complete.pk3 begins at map ML_MAP01, so if the "Deluxe Master Levels" start at ML_MAP01, they'll naturally replace the Master Level episode from WadSmoosh.

True, but I'm guessing a cut and paste job won't function as expected? At the very minimum, one would have to fiddle with the MAPINFO and Episode select menu options, right?

 

Its probably something I could make work, as I'm a modder as well, but the question is still relevant.

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Logically the DML come with their own MAPINFO and, again, if the episode is ML_MAP01, it'll just replace the ML_MAP01 episode from WadSmoosh.

 

In the same way that if you load Sunlust, its MAP01 episode replaces the MAP01 episode from Doom II.

 

Yes episodes are defined by the map slot where they start. An episode selection screen is really just a map selection screen.

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The only problem I have with E4M7 and Lethe in this compilation is that they are Doom 1 maps, therefore they'll stick out (no SSG or D2 monsters). As isolated maps it's not a big deal, but embedded into a set of D2 maps it's a different story. It'd be great to have a proper D2 conversion (including texture adjustments) for these two entries.

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I downloaded the latest Itch version 5, but I encountered several "Unable to open map XXXX" errors. It happens even after the very first map, I got Unable to open map 'ML_MAP06'. You renamed the map files or something?

 

Edit: oh, I see you've already explained it on Itch. Nevermind then.

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