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Alfonzo

The DWIronman League dies to: Vanguard & Lunatic

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Well shit, this is going to be another Cat 2 it seems, I've already played both.

 

I've managed to survive Lunatic saveless until the final map back when I first played it, and Vanguard... no idea but not until I was close to the end me thinks.

 

Time to place the bets boys, that I will do a worse job than when I played both the first time and both runs will suck :p.

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Upheaval! Experimentation! Civil unrest!

 

Calm down, everyone, you'll still get to smash your melon on a curb somewhere and upload the footage, so be merry and rejoice! Summary of changes:

  1. There are now two leader boards/competitions. You can either perform:
    1. A standard run, or
    2. A prepared run, or
    3. A standard run followed by a prepared run.
  2. The boards are defined as:
    • Standard, for first-attempt, no-prep runs — cat 1 and cat 2 (you will still need to affix a number).
    • Prepared, for prep runs — the old cat 3.
  3. With cat 3 getting its own pen to play in, "[3]" is now freed up to indicate something I've always wanted to single out: runs that are conducted after the player has watched a demo, stream or video. Check the revised rule set. Previously, watching runs this way would put you in the prepared camp and as such made "[3]" a poor indicator. This change firmly eliminates all the distinct familiarity blind spots that were still in play without expanding to a fourth category.
  4. Each month will now list two winners, one for each board.

I'm very hopeful that this is the model into which we'll finally settle. There may be adjustments down the line or even fun features added (medals, titles, finals etc.) for example, but for now we're going to slow it down and play it cool.

 

As always, feedback is appreciated. Thanks.

Edited by Alfonzo : 4th item

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Bloody hell. I know Vanguard fairly well, in the IronEagle competition I got to MAP11 and I played it beforehand too. Still, I'm certain I'll find a way for MAP03 to punish me.

 

As for Lunatic, never... 

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I have never played either (even though I had been planning to play both of them for a while)

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I've read these threads with interest before, but I've never submitted an entry (although I nearly did with The Darkening last year). As Vanguard is my favourite WAD, I may have to give this a go even though I'm already sweating at the thought of one or two threats in MAP03, let alone MAP10...

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So, does someone who plays through as a cat 1, and then does a re run as a cat 3 have both runs scored, and in doing so rank higher than someone who prepared privately and then ran a singular cat 3?

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Well, I'm familiar with Vanguard, like Naza mentioned with the ironeagle session (hoping not to die again stupidly in map 05) and I never saw Lunatic...ever.

 

PS: now we have to double the stakes with our demos AAAAAAAAA

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17 minutes ago, dt_ said:

So, does someone who plays through as a cat 1, and then does a re run as a cat 3 have both runs scored, and in doing so rank higher than someone who prepared privately and then ran a singular cat 3?

I see it as a separate board for both instead of having the boards merged for a place....*thinking*

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1 hour ago, dt_ said:

does someone who plays through as a cat 1, and then does a re run as a cat 3 have both runs scored, and in doing so rank higher than someone who prepared privately and then ran a singular cat 3?

 

The two submissions cannot be cumulative as they belong to different competitions. The first run competes with other first runs by other players, which can either be cat 1 or cat 2 as we know them and listed as such (as they have been). It is then completely up to you to continue playing as practice for a run at the Prepared leaderboard, which is just the old cat 3. It is impossible for a submitted first run, practice or otherwise, to not place on the Standard leaderboard.

 

Two separate competitions, two separate winners.

 

If the wording is poor I'll rearrange it.

Edited by Alfonzo : clarification

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1 hour ago, leodoom85 said:

(hoping not to die again stupidly in map 05)

 

It makes me glad that I am not the only one who has stupidly died on map 5 :).

 

Demo: vanguarddemo.zip (Category 1)

Used: Glboom+ 2.5.1.7um (complevel 9)

Dead on Map05 (reached map 5 at around 37 to 40 minute mark)

 

How I died in a stupid way:

Spoiler

For some dumb reason after I picked up a BFG, my fire button did not work(did not register) against the 2 viles that spawned right after. And thus they brought my otherwise decent 100+ health down to zero :(.

 

I will record Lunatic soon.

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RIP bfg hopes...

@Alfonzothe new rules are clear to me that doesn't need a wording rearrange imo :)

Up to the player now to play it blind or prepared or both, which is fine.

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Just now, leodoom85 said:

RIP bfg hopes...

 

It was probably just my mouse that decided to screw me.

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I have played Vanguard's first two levels for IronEagle. This time i was familiar with first level and partially familiar with second. Died to stupid crusher in blind level 3. I'll do Lunatic now, it will be completely cat 1, so it should not take long. Latest Eternity devbuild.

rimvan.7z

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Could it be...

Could a noob like ReaperAA actually survive a mapset? And that too blind?

 

Spoiler

YES!!!!! It is possible. I survived Lunatic

 

Demo: lunaticdemo.zip (category 1)

Used: Glboom+ 2.5.1.7um (complevel 9)

Completed at around 1:02:00

 

How I felt about the levels:

Spoiler

The first 4 levels weren't so bad. They had their tricky moments, but none so overwhelming. It also kinda helped that I had already played other Skillsaw wads (Valiant and Ancient Aliens) which prepared me to deal with the Skillsaw's shenanigans.

 

Map 5 on the other hand took me off guard. It was a full onslaught. At one point I had dropped to below 20% health while half of enemies were still alive and I wasn't able to find a megasphere. I honestly don't know how I managed to survive. But it feels good :)

 

 

Vanguard info (from my previous post):

7 hours ago, ReaperAA said:

Demo: vanguarddemo.zip (Category 1)

Used: Glboom+ 2.5.1.7um (complevel 9)

Dead on Map05 (reached map 5 at around 37 to 40 minute mark)

 

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5 minutes ago, ReaperAA said:

Could it be...

Could a noob like ReaperAA actually survive a mapset? And that too blind?

 

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YES!!!!! It is possible. I survived Lunatic

 

Demo: lunaticdemo.zip (category 1)

Used: Glboom+ 2.5.1.7um (complevel 9)

Completed at around 1:02:00

 

How I felt about the levels:

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The first 4 levels weren't so bad. They had their tricky moments, but none so overwhelming. It also kinda helped that I had already played other Skillsaw wads (Valiant and Ancient Aliens) which prepared me to deal with the Skillsaw's shenanigans.

 

Map 5 on the other hand took me off guard. It was a full onslaught. At one point I had dropped to below 20% health while half of enemies were still alive and I wasn't able to find a megasphere. I honestly don't know how I managed to survive. But it feels good :)

 

 

Vanguard info (from my previous post):

 

 

Not bad at all fam :).

 

But otherwise yeah, not going to pretend that I will not be seriously depressed when I'm going to die in Lunatic now. Let's face it, I'm never going to survive anything here, I had a chance in Plutonia and I died on the freakin' Soul Bridge. It will be a familiar run, and I will STILL die. Unfuckingbelievable.

 

I should retire me thinks.

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6 minutes ago, seed said:

But otherwise yeah, not going to pretend that I will not be seriously depressed when I'm going to die in Lunatic now. Let's face it, I'm never going to survive anything here, I had a chance in Plutonia and I died on the freakin' Soul Bridge. It will be a familiar run, and I will STILL die. Unfuckingbelievable.

 

To be honest, I would probably die on plutonia too. There are certain maps in it where I struggle badly. And in case of Lunatic, it was a miracle that I managed to survive Map 5 as I was pretty screwed at one point.

 

Also u could do another run (a Cat 3 run) in case u die on the first attempt.

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9 minutes ago, ReaperAA said:

To be honest, I would probably die on plutonia too. There are certain maps in it where I struggle badly. And in case of Lunatic, it was a miracle that I managed to survive Map 5 as I was pretty screwed at one point.

 

Also u could do another run (a Cat 3 run) in case u die on the first attempt.

 

After all the stuff I've played so far, and will continue to play, dying in the IWADs is unforgivable, especially due to stupid mistakes, I have absolutely zero tolerance for my own BS. And after the first death I will most definitely not want to touch it again, only to die once more. And then again, and again, and again, and again. And yet again. I estimate my death somewhere on MAP02 or 3, to a stupid trap. Yes, if it's not easy and a stupid trap, it isn't me.

 

Fuck's sake I could finish E4M2 of TFC on UV -fast from a pistol start and I will die here with continuous play, just what the fuck is wrong with me. I would probably cry, if I was capable of showing emotions...

 

tl;dr *self-loathing intensifies*

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Lunatic - completely blind, Cat 1. Died in last level. Damn, i had fun!!!!! It was rushy, surprising and fresh for me. I will play this mapset many times. Eternity latest devbuild.

rimlun.7z

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LUNATIC

 

SCORE: Dead on MAP03.

CATEGORY: 1

TIME TAKEN: 13:01

SATISFIED? Yes, actually. The moment I saw a custom enemy I knew I won't get far. I always dislike the disruption of normal Doom balance.

 

Yes - basically, I dislike sets with custom monsters, end of story. I can't adapt to the new balance quickly enough. The fat guy is okay, but the skinny guy is a douchebag. 

 

To my defense, it's 10 PM in the evening, and some ten local 12-year old girls decided to have a bitch fight and argument in front of my house (I'm sitting next to an open window because it's smoking hot), so their yelling somewhat compromised my hearing abilities. Still, those are excuses, and the truth is I just couldn't adapt.

 

Total maps survived - 14/17, which isn't even too bad, in my opinion.

 

 

dwironman_jul19l_naza.zip

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3 hours ago, skillsaw said:

Just as a heads up to all who participate - the death exits on Vanguard MAP05, MAP10, and MAP12 are ridiculously janky and slow. Take care not to press anything when you die, or you'll get reset to the beginning of the map.

That can be a problem if some unfortunate, raging player do press a button out of agitation XD

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Category 2 - I have played Vanguard multiple times and even with -fast monsters so its safe to say I know the maps very well... Lunatic on the other hand I only played 1 time before.

 

Survived VanGuard in 1:10:52

Survived Lunatic in 28:06

Total time: 1:38:58

DWironman-July-Dubz.zip

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Cat 2.

Vanguard: Dead Map06

Lunatic: DNF Map04 (prboom+ sound was cutting out.  I decided to save and reload to try to fix it. instead of quitting prboom+, it just crashed instead and ate the last chunk of demo, so the whole save/reload feature of boom-cl9 kinda shat the bed.)

8 Maps total

 

Demo: noisy_Vanguard_Lunatic.zip

 

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My cat1 runs for both sets. Going to submit cat3 at a later date.

 

Ram ranched in Vanguard on map06 with 10 monsters killed - demo

Slapped silly in Lunatic on map04 with 159 monsters killed - demo

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

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....Didn't expect being back here so quickly. Heh.

Cat 1 of Vanguard. Yeah shame me for not playing both until now :P. Switched it up to be more aggressive, but kicked the bucket on 03 because AVs makes me have sweaty palms (and, hey, Valiant prequel!). 

Brb playing more

dwironmancatvanjul19.zip

 

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