Doomkid Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) There’s nothing new under the sun. I consider an old idea with a fresh coat of paint and fresh application to be a new idea though so I suppose it comes down to interpretation. A glitchy mod for Mario that mostly messes with the music does not equate to a glitchy mod for Doom that uses mainly graphic alterations (in some ways not even possible in more limited game engines), and neither one is the same as a music video for a pop group, and so on. Related sure, but different, new, unconventional or uncommon takes on an established idea. A few small new ingredients is all it takes to make a new dish in many cases. When someone asked for a intentionally heavily glitchy Doom mod in earlier times, where there was nothing or little to show, there is now several offerings. For there to be something where there was once nothing is enough for me to consider it new. A tiny person standing on the shoulders of giants is still a few inches taller and all that good stuff. Edited November 10, 2019 by Doomkid 3 Share this post Link to post
Grain of Salt Posted November 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Grazza said: Isn't the definition of avant-garde well-known? I learnt it as a kid: "Avant Garde is French for Bullshit." - John Lennon This should now be a thread about how john lennon was an asshole. 3 Share this post Link to post
Doomkid Posted November 10, 2019 Wait is this a thread for Ben Shapiro talking points or avant-garde Doom stuff? 3 Share this post Link to post
whirledtsar Posted November 10, 2019 The Urotsuki series by Lainos has a pretty odd / original style. Its based on an anime but ive never seen it, so maybe its only surreal without that context. 0 Share this post Link to post
Grazza Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) I searched for stuff I've called "weird" over the years, and came up with this list: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/a-c/anadream https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/m-o/nemisis https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/d-f/deus https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/themes/x-rated/i_am_old_enough_to_look_at_this/ars_sml http://doomedsda.us/wad974.html (Bloody)http://www.mediafire.com/file/td9du5rrigd566e/wotdoomf.zip (Wheel of Time)https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/s-u/skyewoodhttps://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/p-r/pinball2https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/v-z/zomhearthttps://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/a-c/cheese Port-specific: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/a-c/b-onahdhttps://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/s-u/sqwirelhttps://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/s-u/studio BTW, this thread is in the wrong forum. 6 Share this post Link to post
Magicana Posted November 10, 2019 15 hours ago, reflex17 said: I'm ashamed to admit how long it took me to work out what map this was. 2 Share this post Link to post
Spectre01 Posted November 10, 2019 ITT: People arguing over the meaning of avant-garde. Considering OP used Going Down as an example, it's pretty obvious he's just asking for the more wacky or "out there" wads. In which case, I'll add Bloody Steel to the mix. Haven't played anything else quite like it and the tone shift away from the gritty industrial setting in the 2nd half is mesmerizing, as is the sporadic use of HD textures and assets. 1 Share this post Link to post
Arbys550 Posted November 11, 2019 no one else mentioned crapi by fizz and togos? that's what instantly popped into my mind when i saw the title. nonlinearity is taken to the absolute extreme in this wad! still one of my favorites 1 Share this post Link to post
Noiser Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) Regardless of any label, I like lilith.pk3 a lot (made by anotak) and I really recommend it if you are into abstract\glitch art combined with a very creepy atmosphere. Edited November 11, 2019 by Noiser 4 Share this post Link to post
Tartlman Posted November 11, 2019 while lilith is great and all, it's really not something you can play in one sitting. I think i started feeling sick about 4 levels in, which is a shame 1 Share this post Link to post
Maximum Matt Posted November 13, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 3:30 PM, Doomkid said: Wait is this a thread for Ben Shapiro talking points or avant-garde Doom stuff? Man screw that ratboy 1 Share this post Link to post
Captain Ventris Posted November 14, 2019 Beyond Reality would likely be mine. It’s certainly surreal! 1 Share this post Link to post
Gokuma Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) Not the most original stuff but a good trip... Essorg and 1m1e. I don't think the makers were aware of each other's work. https://www.wad-archive.com/wad/Essorg-that-is-Grosse-reversed-for-you-slow-people https://www.wad-archive.com/wad/1m1e-Unlimited-Edition-Pit-of-Hell-Exclusive http://www.mediafire.com/file/bbd49pl3s1zxtwb/1m1e.zip/file 2 Share this post Link to post
doomsucksass Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) ....What does that even mean? I remember this wad that was some sort of colored maze with a deer like enemy in it, and another one without any enemies that had areas that would lock or open after you do certain things, there was some text on a wall too, maybe those? Edited April 6, 2020 by doomsucksass 0 Share this post Link to post