Doom Addiction

[Eurisko]

I've just read a post in on here about a someone having to take time away from playing Doom which got me thinking, has there ever been any major cases of Doom addiction reported in the media or on a website or even here on Doomworld.

You sometimes hear stories of people dying in internet cafe's and suchlike for playing too long on the likes of LoL or Smite. Doom has that same feeling of 'cant get enough of this' sometimes.

It's a bit of a morbid topic I know but also interesting.

[TheNoob_Gamer]

Columbine High School Massacre?

[Boaby Kenobi]

That shooting had no relation to Doom. It's a common misconception that the two shooters were always making maps for Doom to "practice" their intentions but it's been debunked many times.

[SirJuicyLemon]

1 hour ago, Boaby Kenobi said:

That shooting had no relation to Doom. It's a common misconception that the two shooters were always making maps for Doom to "practice" their intentions but it's been debunked many times.

I must agree that Columbine Massacre had no direct relation with Doom, but I must ask, did they never made some Doom maps? Or you mean that they never did with the intention to practice for the shooting?

I've heard that they recreated their school in a Doom map and also heard that the map "was missing" which sounds pretty much like bullsh*t.

 

But, yeah, Columbine has nothing to do with Doom whatsoever; that was an act of some (probably) mentally ill youngsters that had been (sadly) bullied or left apart and decided to commit such hideous act. Doom just was on the scope of the things that could be blamed for, and many people wanted to sue id after the shooting had happened with no reason at all.

Some americans just won't go messing with their traditions/rules (like the ridiculous ease with which you can buy a gun) and will blame something new, controversial and/or that they just don't understand, like the rising violent videogames of that time.

[Gerardo194]

The media always lie... Actually people die playing videogames just because they don't want to eat, pee, shit and sleep... Doing these things are very important if you want to keep on living...

[seed]

57 minutes ago, SirJuicyLemon said:

Some americans just won't go messing with their traditions/rules (like the ridiculous ease with which you can buy a gun) and will blame something new, controversial and/or that they just don't understand, like the rising violent videogames of that time.

 

That's a problem pretty much in any society though, not specific to the US.

[The Icon of Sin]

No ones actually answering his question and just talking about columbine which is kinda dumb. 

 

To answer the OP's question I haven't seen any new stories about "Doom Addiction", and personally I don't see how being addicted to specifically Doom is different from any other game addiction.

[Boaby Kenobi]

1 hour ago, SirJuicyLemon said:

I must ask, did they never made some Doom maps? Or you mean that they never did with the intention to practice for the shooting?

I've heard that they recreated their school in a Doom map and also heard that the map "was missing" which sounds pretty much like bullsh*t.

 

Media after the shooting was saying that the shooters both had recreated the school layout in Doom maps and had been playing the levels and planning the attack extensively. 

[Lila Feuer]

Even though it's my all-time favorite game I will binge it for maybe a week to a month before leaving it again for X months.

[Eurisko]

2 hours ago, The Icon of Sin said:

I don't see how being addicted to specifically Doom is different from any other game addiction.

 

Well, It's no different really but I thought talking about being hooked on Doom was appropriate because this is a forum dedicated to Doom.

And maybe there would be people with stories or stories they've heard of or whatever not necessarily new ones either.

 

As for columbine. I think one of or both of those idiots made Doom maps though the big trigger for that story was there were maps or a map that was a representation of the school, which turned out to be media created bullmud

 

Edited March 13, 2020 by Eurisko

[Morpheus666]

Yes but not solely based on the Doom game.

 

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/video-game-addiction#1

 

There is a mental health issue in which someone developed a addiction to playing Video games and may become Depressed due to not being able to play, HOWEVER this might be a symptom of an underlying illness someone has, as most people who do play aren't addicted as easily, (9% of gamers are at risk for VG Addiction)

 

Furthermore, Doom isn't the only game which has been blamed for Heightened violence and death, Games and Media has always been blamed for social issues since the beginning,(And frankly is a waste of time to debate since it's been done to death at this point)

 

As my point of interest, Most violent criminals who do play games and commits crimes were messed up from the beginning and were not "Inspired" by games/Movies to commit crimes.

 

(Looking at The Columbine incident, They both were socially isolated, Bullied, teens who were angry at the world for letting there abuse happen. And they chose to take it out on the school's aggressors.)

Edited March 13, 2020 by Morpheus666

[Pegleg]

Interestingly, this subject came up in a thread on Doomworld back in 2002:

 

The thread got somewhat tongue-in-cheek toward the end, but the original post described a number of the hallmarks of addictive behavior.

 

Additionally, I came across this statement in an article from 2009 about the role that video game addiction played in school shootings (specifically Columbine), made by Dr. David Moore, supposedly a faculty member at Argosy College and a licensed psychologist:

 

"First, video gaming has all the clinical symptoms of addiction. In a report to be published in Psychological Science next month, Iowa State researcher Douglas Gentile and surveyors from the Gallup Poll found that fully 8.5% of youthful video gamers show classic signs of addiction. The Columbine shooters were immersed in their violence-filled Doom video games. ... Parents can see that transformation start in their video gaming kids - what addiction specialists call negative developmental changes. Grade averages slide, school social life becomes less interesting, and lost in his violent computer fantasies, the teen's emotional ties to the rest of the family fade and grow weak."

 

So, to answer the OP's question, yes, there have been instances of reporting on addiction to video games, with Doom getting mentioned occasionally, but generally not being the focal point of the article.

[SirJuicyLemon]

5 hours ago, seed said:

 

That's a problem pretty much in any society though, not specific to the US.

I guess you're right.

I'm not a scholar on the topic, at least in my country (thankfully) it isn't much of a problem.

 

But US is kind of the most known example of this.

I can't totally agree with the Washington Post when they said that "School shootings are a "uniquely American crisis"", but I feel like "School shootings are considered an "overwhelmingly American" phenomenon due to the availability of firearms in the United States" is pretty much a down to earth statement, and as for traditions of americans, I mainly meant about their culture/idiosyncrasy of use of firearms, whether for recreational or defense purposes, coming since the NRA and up to nowadays.

 

Then again, I'm not american, so I'm only speaking from what I can see from the outside.

I know that laws sometimes change from state to state so the rules don't apply the same way on the whole country, but it's still a mayor concern for the US and it seems that some states needs to regularization or measure of some kind on the topic of availability of firearms. According to CNN, it's easier to get a gun in the US than a dog, a passport, a divorce, flu medicine or a driver's license.

I also know that there are still many missing pieces of history and culture on the last paragraph, which I just don't know, and it's only natural as I'm not american.

So you'll have to excuse me for that and correct me if I'm wrong in some point.

 

I must agree that this isn't only a problem on the US, but it's usually a more referable example; this is mainly due because the public eye is usually more focused on the US than other countries (sometimes and in some topics) and the media usually spreads about this to the rest of the world.

So, it's probably more common to have heard about the Sandy Hook school shooting on the US than the Kerch Polytechnic College massacre on Russia, even though if it was almost as fatal as the former.

[rex2005]

19 hours ago, SirJuicyLemon said:

I must agree that Columbine Massacre had no direct relation with Doom, but I must ask, did they never made some Doom maps? Or you mean that they never did with the intention to practice for the shooting?

I've heard that they recreated their school in a Doom map and also heard that the map "was missing" which sounds pretty much like bullsh*t.

 

But, yeah, Columbine has nothing to do with Doom whatsoever; that was an act of some (probably) mentally ill youngsters that had been (sadly) bullied or left apart and decided to commit such hideous act. Doom just was on the scope of the things that could be blamed for, and many people wanted to sue id after the shooting had happened with no reason at all.

Some americans just won't go messing with their traditions/rules (like the ridiculous ease with which you can buy a gun) and will blame something new, controversial and/or that they just don't understand, like the rising violent videogames of that time.

Eric Harris did made a map and released it. It's called UAC Labs

[Eurisko]

14 hours ago, Pegleg said:

Interestingly, this subject came up in a thread on Doomworld back in 2002:

 

The thread got somewhat tongue-in-cheek toward the end, but the original post described a number of the hallmarks of addictive behavior.

 

Additionally, I came across this statement in an article from 2009 about the role that video game addiction played in school shootings (specifically Columbine), made by Dr. David Moore, supposedly a faculty member at Argosy College and a licensed psychologist:

 

"First, video gaming has all the clinical symptoms of addiction. In a report to be published in Psychological Science next month, Iowa State researcher Douglas Gentile and surveyors from the Gallup Poll found that fully 8.5% of youthful video gamers show classic signs of addiction. The Columbine shooters were immersed in their violence-filled Doom video games. ... Parents can see that transformation start in their video gaming kids - what addiction specialists call negative developmental changes. Grade averages slide, school social life becomes less interesting, and lost in his violent computer fantasies, the teen's emotional ties to the rest of the family fade and grow weak."

 

So, to answer the OP's question, yes, there have been instances of reporting on addiction to video games, with Doom getting mentioned occasionally, but generally not being the focal point of the article.

That 2002 thread was interesting to read. (there sure were a ton of fish avatars around back then)

The OP of that thread seemed very concerned for his grades, something his friend certainly didn’t care about.

I wonder how his final marks turned out. 

 

I think Doom has been an easy go to target for the media along with a few other franchises such as Mortal Kombat and GTA or whatever.

 

 

 

[seed]

2 hours ago, Eurisko said:

I think Doom has been an easy go to target for the media along with a few other franchises such as Mortal Kombat and GTA or whatever.

 

Along with anything unconventional and original that goes against the norm or status quo.

[Boomslang]

Lol, it is VERY addicting, Yesterday i was preparing for today's stream by setting up chocolate doom, also taking various screenshots. i ended up just playing a few levels of doom 2 by accident.

but i never heard of any news stories about an unhealthy addiction to the game,

[Nine Inch Heels]

I'm pretty sure someone out there somewhere is addicted to video games, and maybe plays doom a lot, who knows? Thing is, people don't really get addicted to just one particular game, it's more like that one particular game (if they stick to one game, anyway) is how they feed their addiction. Psychologically (and "neuro-chemically"), an addiction to League of Legends isn't different from an addiction to World of Warcraft, or Doom, or any other game out there. The game in question is simply a medium that pushes certain buttons which the addiction demands to be pressed, and even though different people want different buttons pushed, the effect on the brain is the same in the end. So there is no genuine "Doom addiction", or "LoL addiction".

 

Simply playing a game "a few hours too many" on occasion isn't an addiction, by the way, the WHO has this pretty clearly defined in what they dubbed "gaming disorder". Funnily enough, "gaming disorder" has been considered a "meme" by some, while others were rambling over how somebody else dared to define what is or isn't healthy amounts of gaming, and therefore identified the notions of a gaming related disorder as in infringement on their individual rights or some nonsense like that but I digress. In any case, it's good that discussions about "gaming habits" and their detriments can now happen without the result always being that somebody just doesn't have their priorities straight, because it turns out some people are actually "ill" and need professional help with their situation.

 

Thing is, if somebody is actually addicted to games around here, then chances are that they won't speak up about it anyway, in the vast majority of cases at least. Firstly, they themselves might not even realize they're addicted, and even if they realize as much, then they certainly would rather play their game of choice than write an essay about how they feel. Second, the internet is usually not a particularly well suited environment to come across with stuff like that. So don't expect anything of the sort to happen anytime soon.

 

While I'm at it, I also don't like the idea of "outing" somebody else, regardless of circumstance. If you think you know somebody who's addicted to video games, keep it to yourselves, because nobody here needs to hear any of it, except maybe drama-sluts and disaster-tourists. Try to help the person in need, instead of entertaining others with pointless gossip that is forgotten after a few days have passed. "Peer pressure" makes people more reclusive in most cases, and that's the opposite of what you want, if your intention is to help somebody.

[dewmguy]

I have a slight feeling that I'm pissing off my friends over how much I hype up 2016 and Eternal around them.

Anyway, time to dm them some trailers and maybe clockner's gameplay for the 3567th time

[alexthetrain]

18 hours ago, dewmguy said:

I have a slight feeling that I'm pissing off my friends over how much I hype up 2016 and Eternal around them.

Anyway, time to dm them some trailers and maybe clockner's gameplay for the 3567th time

 

Theres always that one guy.
I kid you not now. Every group of people theres at least ONE guy constantly talking about Eternal.
It's become a massive joke in this part of town.

Atleast there's something Doom related going on around here, actually rarely anything video game related happens.
Im from Serbia so... Yeah, haven't really been able to find things i have in common with a lot of people up until moments like these.

[Arbys550]

Sometimes I think I'm addicted, I play probably on average 4 hours a day now (more like 6 now because of the virus), and I'm worried the achievement of doom is replacing my need for achievement in real life, however, I have passing grades and a job so I think I'm fine.

[Senor500]

As a kid when I started playing Doom I got really addicted.

I must have been 4-5, and pretty much had the same pattern for at least a couple of years, but I'm not so sure now, things blur together.

I would come home from school, take my grandfather's computer and play for hours, sometimes until night, an average of 7-8 hours of game.

It got worse when my room got occupied by someone else so I started sleeping in the living room, where the computer was, I would get up at night after everyone else fell asleep and play again. That problem could have been solved if I didn't sleep alone but eh.

You know, I sure do miss being able to stay up late and then wake up not feeling tired, I miss being able to play more than an hour and not get tired. Nowadays, if I play a game for half an hour I'm already feeling bad and have to leave it for a while, been a real trouble since I'm quarantined and can't go out to do anything. I don't miss the addiction though, did no favors to my body and it took a lot of time for me to be socially acceptable and actually make some friends.

[kyuubicle]

Addiction is a funny thing. Well, no it's not of course, but there's isn't much a person predisposed to addiction couldn't get addicted to. Something in their life becomes a spark that lights the fire, and yes, sometimes that can be a video game. And a lot times, as it turns out, addiction itself is the body's way to manage stress from *something else*. Depression, anxiety, financial concerns, healthcare concerns, insecurities, lack of self esteem et. al. Turns out if you give people that feel really, really shitty something that makes them feel good, lets them forget their concerns: an out from their life, even for a little bit... well... the end result isn't, or shouldn't be, that surprising to anyone.

 

Too bad the US, and most of the world really, is really, really bad at helping people manage mental health and, really, really, really, really bad at meeting people's basic needs so they don't trip off their natural dispositions towards said respective mental illnesses.

 

Edit: I guess to be a little more on topic... I like to modify games or even just mod mods. It's a neat activity to fill my (lots) of dead time. But no game gets me as distracted as doom. I'll change one thing in a line of code in, say, a hud mod and end up playing through two levels then quit and realize I had not even confirmed the change did what I want or even worked correctly. What the heck, brain! Take that anecdote as you will.

Edited March 21, 2020 by kyuubicle

[BigBoy91]

I'm pretty fuckin addicted.

[Reaverbot]

On 3/14/2020 at 2:16 AM, rex2005 said:

Eric Harris did made a map and released it. It's called UAC Labs

 

Eric Harris really liked Doom, and compared what they were doing to being "just like Doom" in a video he recorded before they initiated the shooting. That wasn't all that significant though, he was a high schooler in the 90s, he also just happened to be a sociopath.

 

More significantly that people are getting wrong in this thread is the "bullied kids" aspect, which is mainly based on excuses their friends and families gave the media at the time, who completely ran away with it. Eric Harris was not a bullying victim, he was by all accounts after the media furor died down pretty much a bully himself. He had plenty of friends and went to parties and stuff, he just also had a habit of getting close to you and then starting to tell you about murder fantasies. He was a well-spoken time bomb that probably would have ended up doing something -else- really horrible if he didn't shoot up his school. Dylan Klebold was slightly closer to what the media portrayed them as because he actually was a depressive unhappy teenager that felt out of place, but he was also violent and desperate for approval, which was a perfect avenue for someone like Harris to manipulate and mold him into a partner. And at the end of the day, the people they killed were just a completely indiscriminate collection because they didn't actually have any targets to really go after, they were just kids with guns.

 

Anyway, I'm sure it's happened to people, but I don't think addiction to something like Doom is quite as prevalent as addiction to something like MMORPGS or something. Something about those games really fuck people up.

 

[Eurisko]

19 hours ago, Reaverbot said:

Anyway, I'm sure it's happened to people, but I don't think addiction to something like Doom is quite as prevalent as addiction to something like MMORPGS or something. Something about those games really fuck people up.

 

 

Yes agreed , Not to try and derail this topic more than I guess it is ;) but I remember when the original Destiny came out and a few of my friends were absolutely hooked. The developers knew what they were doing with that games loot and shoot addictive  gameplay so much so that there were parody videos of it.

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by Eurisko

[instagib]

their's probably some fat dude out there who's lost his wife because of a doom addiction

[Hellbent]

On 3/13/2020 at 7:20 AM, Eurisko said:

I've just read a post in on here about a someone having to take time away from playing Doom which got me thinking, has there ever been any major cases of Doom addiction reported in the media or on a website or even here on Doomworld.

You sometimes hear stories of people dying in internet cafe's and suchlike for playing too long on the likes of LoL or Smite. Doom has that same feeling of 'cant get enough of this' sometimes.

It's a bit of a morbid topic I know but also interesting.

Back in the day (and I mean back in the day) when Doom was just released many corporations were reporting a loss of productivity because people in offices were playing LAN DM matches instead of doing work. I remember one game magazine reviewer talking about how disruptive the game was to his life because he was so addicted to it.

 

Around that time my parents (especially my mom) was concerned about how addicted to Doom I was (I was 14 then). 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Hellbent

[Crunchynut44]

I'm not only addicted to playing Doom, but I'm seriously addicted to mapping for Doom. Sometimes at work its all I think about, I go to sleep easy knowing I just finished yet another map and it plays silky smooth. How the contours of the mountains I made are wonderfully jagged yet aesthetically pleasing to gaze upon. How the layout intertwines within itself to make the perfect inifinty.

 

Seriously, help me.

[Master O]

On 3/13/2020 at 10:21 AM, Gerardo194 said:

The media always lie... Actually people die playing videogames just because they don't want to eat, pee, shit and sleep... Doing these things are very important if you want to keep on living...

 

After Columbine, the US media actively sensationalized the "threat" of violent video games and tarred anyone who played them as weirdos and freaks. The politicians then followed suit.  Both the media and politicians frequently resort to this behavior to divert attention away from their own misdeeds.