Is anybody else seriously IN LOVE with Eternal?

[qdash]

Bethesda's bots is answering: "Yes! Yes! Yes! We do!", "it doesn't matter if popularity still falling and sometimes is about ~2K players in Steam, but it's REPLAYABILITY IS GODLIKE, IT'S BEST FPS GAME OF THE CENTURY!". More agressive bots is only on Bethesda's forums. Not all of people who like DE are bots, but bots is here for sure. Others can decline or accept how Frankenstein Eternal is good or bad - game is almost dead now.

 

I'm done here. Will return if mod support will be added... or normal multiplayer. 99% it's impossible and I don't give a flying fk about how DE is hardcore or not, this not my cup of tea and many and many of real people in my friendlist in Steam/Discord.

Edited May 6, 2020 by qdash

[NoXion]

1 hour ago, qdash said:

Bethesda's bots is answering: "Yes! Yes! Yes! We do!", "it doesn't matter if popularity still falling and sometimes is about ~2K players in Steam, but it's REPLAYABILITY IS GODLIKE, IT'S BEST FPS GAME OF THE CENTURY!". More agressive bots is only on Bethesda's forums. Not all of people who like DE are bots, but bots is here for sure. Others can decline or accept how Frankenstein Eternal is good or bad - game is almost dead now.

 

I'm done here. Will return if mod support will be added... or normal multiplayer. 99% it's impossible and I don't give a flying fk about how DE is hardcore or not, this not my cup of tea and many and many of real people in my friendlist in Steam/Discord.

You say that DE isn't your cup of tea... which is fair enough. No game can appeal to everyone.

So why don't you extend the courtesy of having a sincerely held opinion to the rest of us? Pointing at falling multiplayer numbers would be a devastating point if DE was a multiplayer-focused game that didn't ship with a decent single player campaign. As things actually stand, you're in effect dismissing the opinions of people like me who aren't big into the multiplayer, but who greatly enjoyed the campaign and look forward to the single player DLCs.

Worse than that actually, you're implying that I and others like me only hold our opinions out of fanboyism for Bethesda(!?), or perhaps because we've been paid off. It depends on what you meant by "Bethesda's bots".

[seed]

25 minutes ago, NoXion said:

You say that DE isn't your cup of tea... which is fair enough. No game can appeal to everyone.

So why don't you extend the courtesy of having a sincerely held opinion to the rest of us? Pointing at falling multiplayer numbers would be a devastating point if DE was a multiplayer-focused game that didn't ship with a decent single player campaign. As things actually stand, you're in effect dismissing the opinions of people like me who aren't big into the multiplayer, but who greatly enjoyed the campaign and look forward to the single player DLCs.

Worse than that actually, you're implying that I and others like me only hold our opinions out of fanboyism for Bethesda(!?), or perhaps because we've been paid off. It depends on what you meant by "Bethesda's bots".

 

Shills, probably. I am one hell of a shill too, so good at doing my job Bethesda pays me in negative currency in fact!

 

Don't bother, see his responses in the Mick controversy topic too, certainly Bethesda is the root of all evil in this world.

 

I love what I've seen in Eternal too, and indeed, a "failing" multiplayer was going to be a problem if it was a multiplayer-focused game to begin with, which it isn't, the singleplayer campaign is, and what most people who liked 2016 wanted to see more of in a sequel.

[mewbusi]

8 hours ago, qdash said:

Bethesda's bots is answering: "Yes! Yes! Yes! We do!", "it doesn't matter if popularity still falling and sometimes is about ~2K players in Steam, but it's REPLAYABILITY IS GODLIKE, IT'S BEST FPS GAME OF THE CENTURY!". More agressive bots is only on Bethesda's forums. Not all of people who like DE are bots, but bots is here for sure. Others can decline or accept how Frankenstein Eternal is good or bad - game is almost dead now.

 

I'm done here. Will return if mod support will be added... or normal multiplayer. 99% it's impossible and I don't give a flying fk about how DE is hardcore or not, this not my cup of tea and many and many of real people in my friendlist in Steam/Discord.

 

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[slowtorturepukechamber]

absolutely feels so much more like OG doom than 2016 did. although i thought the bosses were a lot harder in 2016.

[tgawt]

I did enjoy quite a bit. i would say '16 is a more consistent game, i would call the pacing and story better but everything else was an improvement, so much so that i wish there was more. hoping that expansion packs for eternal expand the less used parts of the arsenal, use the weak point mechanics more, and integrate platforming into the arenas more (imagine quake-style arenas with monkey bars and a little bit of wall jumping.) if the DLC's manage that then eternal will far surpass doom 2016s good but utilitarian and bare-bones arenas. DEcryers BTFO'd

[MrDeAD1313]

The game is great.

 

Also, not a Bethesda fanboy in the slightest. I've played Skyrim, a little Fallout 3/4 and don't really see what all the hype is behind them. But they didn't make Doom Eternal anyway so I don't understand why people keep claiming that Bethesda fanboys and fangirls are dominating the ratings?

[jazzmaster9]

On 5/6/2020 at 7:24 PM, qdash said:

I'm done here. Will return if mod support will be added

See you next Doom Eternal Post. Im sure you will find more reasons to complain about the game.

[Amph]

it's fine but i still think that doom 2 is the best fps

 

i still hate glory kill and the fact that they give you life, i don't remember you can disable this shit? i mean disabling it completely, i don't even want to see the highlighting of the enemies

Edited May 18, 2020 by Amph

[The Doommer]

On 5/6/2020 at 3:54 PM, qdash said:

Frankenstein Eternal

You see this and you realize this argument is pointless.

 

On 5/8/2020 at 1:21 AM, MrDeAD1313 said:

I don't understand why people keep claiming that Bethesda fanboys and fangirls are dominating the ratings?

Pure haters. These guys want OG Doom remake.

[Amph]

another thing to add, dunno why but all the combats looks kinda staged to me, it's like the amount of health and weapons are calculated to perfectly match the amount of enemies, the demons appear not all at once but they come few at time when you kill some of them etc...boring after a while

Edited May 19, 2020 by Amph

[jazzmaster9]

4 hours ago, Amph said:

 it's like the amount of health and weapons are calculated to perfectly match the amount of enemies, 

You mean basic balance and level design? 

Yeah boring right? Who wants balanced gameply?

[Amph]

not exactly what i mean, when i play a good doom 2 megavad, i feel the casuality in the combat, they don't look staged like in eternal, it's a bit hard to explain

 

something has to do with the shitty mechanic that give you health when you kill monsters

[NoXion]

I don't think I quite understand how enemies dropping health is "shitty", but somehow finding health packs lying around on the ground in Hell is just fine and dandy.

 

The only reason I can think of for people giving one a pass while criticising the other, is simply down to the fact that one has been around for longer, so it seems "normal". But both are ultimately arbitrary mechanical decisions that bear little resemblance to reality.

[icecoldduke]

While I think its a good game, I won't play it with the denuvo ring 0 stuff in there. The game is uninstalled on my PC until they remove it. 

[jazzmaster9]

54 minutes ago, Amph said:

not exactly what i mean, when i play a good doom 2 megavad, i feel the casuality in the combat, they don't look staged like in eternal, it's a bit hard to explain

I mean putting health kits and ammo in specific places and specific amounts IS staged.

 

Sounds like you are making an issue for the sake of it.

54 minutes ago, Amph said:

something has to do with the shitty mechanic that give you health when you kill monsters

I dont like it =/= Shitty.

[Amph]

well it's not staged because normally you have way less health than what you need in doom 2, more ammunition instead, this is done on purpose, here all i see is plenty of health everywhere, you can't die basically, just kill a random scrub and you're done

 

the real difference is that with medikit you can balance it better, just put less or more of them in a combat area, while with enemies you can not, because you can't..you know...reduce the enemies per arena, that would fuck up the game, which mean that you always have 1:1 ratio bteween damage and heatlth and in the end every demon basically nullify the damage that inflict to you by giving in return life when you kill it, which make it look staged kinda, dunno if this is the correct word to use here...

 

that's why i believe is a shitty mechanic, this has nothing to do with me liking it or not...

 

"I don't think I quite understand how enemies dropping health is "shitty", but somehow finding health packs lying around on the ground in Hell is just fine and dandy."

 

yeah because finding random weapons and ammunitiions everywhere is legit in Hell, instead lol

Edited May 19, 2020 by Amph

[jazzmaster9]

1 hour ago, Amph said:

the real difference is that with medikit you can balance it better, just put less or more of them in a combat area, while with enemies you can not, because you can't..you know...reduce the enemies per arena, that would fuck up the game, which mean that you always have 1:1 ratio bteween damage and heatlth and in the end every demon basically nullify the damage that inflict to you by giving in return life when you kill it, which make it look staged kinda, dunno if this is the correct word to use here...

 

You also seem to forget that there are equal risks invloved in trying to get upclose and personal with monsters in Eternal not to mention that the chainsaw also has a cooldown so you cant always get huge amounts of health. So not its not 1:1

 

You have to work for your health instead of just walking a few steps and getting health 

 

1 hour ago, Amph said:

 

that's why i believe is a shitty mechanic, this has nothing to do with me liking it or not...

 

So you think its shitty because you dont like how it works?

Gotcha.

 

Kinda contradicting yourself here.

Most of what you said is completely subjective so no, its bad, You're just not a fan of it 

[AtimZarr1]

57 minutes ago, Amph said:

you can't die basically, just kill a random scrub and you're done

 

TL;DR - Most people that played Doom Eternal ranked it on par with Plutonia in terms of difficulty.

[NoXion]

If you're finding it a bit too easy to keep your skin intact, maybe that's a sign that you might want to try turning the difficulty up a notch?

[SulfurOccult]

Yep, love Eternal. Don't understand the level of hate getting heaped at it over the anti-cheat thing. Like, I understand -- I just don't care.

Still working on my nightmare playthrough.

[Foebane72]

1 minute ago, SulfurOccult said:

Yep, love Eternal. Don't understand the level of hate getting heaped at it over the anti-cheat thing. Like, I understand -- I just don't care.

Still working on my nightmare playthrough.

 

You WILL care if the Ring 0 Anti-Cheat is controlling your system and a hacker gets in and steals your personal data. That's what people are angry about, the game is just a carrier for it.

 

[Amph]

13 hours ago, jazzmaster9 said:

You also seem to forget that there are equal risks invloved in trying to get upclose and personal with monsters in Eternal not to mention that the chainsaw also has a cooldown so you cant always get huge amounts of health. So not its not 1:1

 

You have to work for your health instead of just walking a few steps and getting health 

 

So you think its shitty because you dont like how it works?

Gotcha.

 

Kinda contradicting yourself here.

Most of what you said is completely subjective so no, its bad, You're just not a fan of it 

the problem is that it's all random you can't balance it, and you can abuse it easily, you can't do the same with medikit, like i said, with just medikit it's much harder, what if i put few medikit and huge amount of monster, like i remmber in some maps of AV or HR, that make it more challenging

 

also it's make the game more easy, you don't need to search for life when you are at risk just find a stupid zombie...

Edited May 20, 2020 by Amph

[jazzmaster9]

5 hours ago, Amph said:

the problem is that it's all random you can't balance it, and you can abuse it easily, you can't do the same with medikit, like i said, with just medikit it's much harder, what if i put few medikit and huge amount of monster, like i remmber in some maps of AV or HR, that make it more challenging

 

Well im not one if those Harder = Better try hards.

 

5 hours ago, Amph said:

just find a stupid zombie...

Well Stupid health packs don't even fight back and i don't even need to manage my cool downs to pick then up, see i can sound silly and edgy too.

 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here.

Edited May 20, 2020 by jazzmaster9

[SulfurOccult]

On 5/19/2020 at 9:33 PM, Foebane72 said:

You WILL care if the Ring 0 Anti-Cheat is controlling your system and a hacker gets in and steals your personal data. That's what people are angry about, the game is just a carrier for it. 

 

I understand the concern, but has it ever actually happened?

Like I'm worried about meteors crashing into my house too, but its statistically improbable so not worth the concern.

 

Seems like the anti-cheat is being removed anyway, so that is good.

[Sitting on a cornflake]

Refilling health by killing enemies as opposed to finding med kits seems pretty clearly to be a mechanism to encourage combat and aggressiveness.  Neither of them are in any way realistic, on any level, but pitted against one another, one prioritizes finding and actively engaging with enemies while the other prioritizes searching for med kits and memorizing map layouts.  It's a balance, and neither approach is perfect--probably why Doom Eternal features both kinds in most (if not all) arena battles.   

[icecoldduke]

3 hours ago, SulfurOccult said:

 

I understand the concern, but has it ever actually happened?

Like I'm worried about meteors crashing into my house too, but its statistically improbable so not worth the concern.

 

Seems like the anti-cheat is being removed anyway, so that is good.

Drivers from NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel heavily monitor their drivers for security holes and patch them rather quickly. I don't have much faith in Denuvo's team to give the same treatment to the drivers they want to install on my pc. Denuvo seems like a great attack vector for malware to install itself on my PC, since its running in ring 0. The less ring 0 garbage running on my PC the safer I feel. 

 

But its a irrelevant point, since they are taking it out :)

[geekmarine]

My God... It's been a while, but I have been summoned back here by some truly dark magic.  I just...  It is fucking Dooming perfection.  It is brutally, relentlessly difficult, and it just demands so much of you, and my God you're juggling your weapons, abilities, everything just to fucking stay alive.  It's... Almost like being exposed to Doom for the first time all over again, with just the challenge of this whole new way of playing combined with incredible satisfaction when you get it right.

 

Also, so far I am absolutely loving the story, and how it actually does start to kinda tie everything together - and just wow, I know you might say it's too story heavy for a Doom game, but it's exactly the right kind of story for a Doom game, it's just so epic and over the top and I can't get over how it actually ties the previous games together.

 

In keeping tradition with the older games, I also love how well it balances action with exploration.  I actually enjoy having to solve some puzzle or have to do some crazy stunt to get to a secret area.  

 

Oh man, I just... Only downside right now, I'm stuck on the Gladiator fight, it is just impossible, and I refuse to che a t

 

[seed]

12 hours ago, icecoldduke said:

Drivers from NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel heavily monitor their drivers for security holes and patch them rather quickly. I don't have much faith in Denuvo's team to give the same treatment to the drivers they want to install on my pc. Denuvo seems like a great attack vector for malware to install itself on my PC, since its running in ring 0. The less ring 0 garbage running on my PC the safer I feel. 

 

But its a irrelevant point, since they are taking it out :)

 

And unlike DRM/anti-cheat solutions, hardware drivers actually need that kind of access in order to work correctly.

 

Such DRM having the same level of access to the system is frivolous.

[CultofPixels]

This game is nuts, and it's what got me interested in checking out the rest of the series. I'm almost through Doom (1993) now and moving on to Doom II shortly. This stuff never gets old.