Being a Doom fan hasn’t been this emotionally draining in a long time

[Man of Doom]

So, it appears that Doom Eternal basically turned from GOTY contender into the Internet’s next laughingstock thanks to a single update that basically turned a highly-optimized game into a chugfest for many PC players (all because of the fear of cheating in its Battlemode section). And let’s not even get into what the update contains as it basically amounts to spyware that can leave a potential backdoor for hackers to infiltrate.

 

And now, you basically now have Doom-related hot takes all over the internet ranging from “the Doom franchise should’ve died at 64/3” to “if you like Doom Eternal or nuDoom in general, you should just fucking kill yourself because you’re worse than a Hillary Clinton shill”.

I know that most of this is just venting for most people in light of recent events, but I still can’t help but feel that the internet has more or less decided to turn on the Doom franchise; it’s a goddamn shame too because outside of maybe the hardcore gaming community, Doom never really reached the mainstream eye until maybe like Doom 2016 (and even that was considered to be an underdog until well after its release). Case in point, everyone wrote off Doom as a dead franchise after Doom 3, and I was even ridiculed for suggesting otherwise (even during around 2010). 

 

But I guess what I’m trying to say is that not even the Doom franchise is safe from all the bad news that 2020 has brought us so far, and I doubt it’s going to stop anytime soon. I mean, first there’s what happened with Doom Annihilation and how it basically got turned into something to be ridiculed because “WHEREZ MY DOOMGAI”, then this shitshow with Mick Gordon and the OST release, and now this anti-cheat DRM dickshit for Eternal. 

Not helping is that the Doom community is seen mainly as this super-chill and wholesome community, yet I’ve already seen countless examples to the contrary already (and I’m not even talking about r/Doom anymore). You can brush it up to maybe a vocal minority here and there, but I’m not too sure of that anymore.
 

I mean, I still remember how wholesome the crossovers with Animal Crossing got, and there were still a few chuds here and there outright calling for Isabelle’s head on a pike because “DEWM IS A SOOPER SIRIUS GAEM WITH BLUD AND GUTZ AND BROOTAL SHIT AND IT SHUD ONLY BE THAT WAY”.

 

I dunno, maybe this is just me ranting nonsensically that was brought on by the quarantine. I guess I’m just beyond tired right now and I’m all out of spoons.

 

And just to clarify, this is just more of a rant about the current state of things and how everything seems to have gotten extremely fucked sideways lately, as well as a thing for me to kind of vent my feelings because the last several days for me personally have been mentally and emotionally draining.

 

Anyway, if you’ve got Doom-related things to vent about here in light of what’s happened with Doom Eternal or anything else Doom, feel free to share here.

[seed]

Honestly I think we may just be reading too much into the recent events. Yeah, it's sad to see what happened for sure, but I think most people are simply just very invested into the series and feel betrayed, and they need a place to get it off their chest.

 

That being said, I am confident this isn't the end for Doom and it won't get only worse from now on, although the recent events are a bit worrying. Besides, the Doom community always held a variety of opinions regarding the series, for some it was more action-y, for others more horror, corny, and so on. There was never a singular vision when it came to the series, both from the developers side and the fans'. I would also advise ignoring the shitheads as well, those usually have the biggest and loudest mouths, looking like there's more anger than there really is but in reality there's not.

 

I think we'll all just have to wait and see how the situation changes in the future. I doubt this marks the end of Doom as a great series and slowly falling into complete mediocrity and the darkness that comes with it, so our best chance right now is to do our part, wait, and see what results we get.

[Kristian Nebula]

1 hour ago, seed said:

Honestly I think we may just be reading too much into the recent events. Yeah, it's sad to see what happened for sure, but I think most people are simply just very invested into the series and feel betrayed, and they need a place to get it off their chest.

 

That being said, I am confident this isn't the end for Doom and it won't get only worse from now on, although the recent events are a bit worrying. Besides, the Doom community always held a variety of opinions regarding the series, for some it was more action-y, for others more horror, corny, and so on. There was never a singular vision when it came to the series, both from the developers side and the fans'. I would also advise ignoring the shitheads as well, those usually have the biggest and loudest mouths, looking like there's more anger than there really is but in reality there's not.

 

I think we'll all just have to wait and see how the situation changes in the future. I doubt this marks the end of Doom as a great series and slowly falling into complete mediocrity and the darkness that comes with it, so our best chance right now is to do our part, wait, and see what results we get.

 

After all this recent mess has calmed down, we will still have a lively community creating maps. It's not going anywhere anytime soon :)

[DSC]

The people from the mainstream may come and go, but don't worry, our little community we have here will live on and on!

[Dark Pulse]

The loudest noise is always immediately after something breaks. Give it a few weeks/months and most of the pissing and moaning will go elsewhere.

 

And mind you, I say that as someone who's very against what Bethesda did (and strongly argued about WHY people should care in that topic). But on the whole, basically it's just a whole bunch of casuals' noise.

 

Still doesn't excuse that at best, Beth was being very dodgy, mind you.

[Jimmy]

Maybe get off social media. Hot Twitter takes will kill your soul.

[Chip]

Don't be worried. All of this will end soon, but remember, we are all just one, and we will win as a people!

Doom is a Doom is a Doom, so DOOM will always be loved, and that is something you cannot take away from us, since it is the truth, and truth cannot be persuaded by anything or anybody, so even with all these people complaining, there is still us DOOM fans that will never see DOOM fall into the same trash can as Anthem or Battlefront 2 (2017).

DOOM is the same as Sonic, Mario, Halo, and Zelda. They are all huge staples of everything. Sonic shows Sega, Zelda shows Nintendo, Halo shows Xbox, and Mario shows basically all video games. and DOOM falls into the category of one of the first online games and FPS's.

So don't be scared, and always look on the bright side of things. the News may be awful, but then look at all the other great things in the world. We are closer now with the social distancing, but we are all still one!  

[Dark Pulse]

4 minutes ago, LiT_gam3r said:

We are closer now with the social distancing

Er...?

[Tormentor667]

I guess I missed something. What has happened?

[Chip]

7 minutes ago, Dark Pulse said:

Er...?

we have more love for each other even though we are so far apart.

[P41R47]

7 minutes ago, LiT_gam3r said:

we have more love for each other even though we are so far apart.

I love you, pal! <3<3<3

 

[Kristian Nebula]

13 minutes ago, Tormentor667 said:

I guess I missed something. What has happened?

 

@Tormentor667 this has happened: 

 

[Dark Pulse]

13 minutes ago, Tormentor667 said:

I guess I missed something. What has happened?

Mostly, community revolt over Doom Eternal getting a Ring 0 Anticheat added into its patch, and in Bethesda's infinite wisdom, it's self-reinstalling if you remove it and mandatory even if you play singleplayer. (Issues which they will be looking into addressing.)

 

But throw in that along with the inherent risk a Ring 0, kernel-mode anticheat provides, and the fact that this coincidentally dropped two months after the game's release (and thus outside of most refund windows), and basically a bunch of people flipped out.

[Decay]

It's a fucking game dude, stop caring so much about it. I know it's hard to believe but there actually is a life to be had beyond the internet!

[silentzorah]

If you wanna like the game, like the game.  If you don't, don't.  Nobody's gonna crucify you.

 

...I think.

[Chip]

8 minutes ago, Decay said:

It's a fucking game dude, stop caring so much about it. I know it's hard to believe but there actually is a life to be had beyond the internet!

It isn't about that, only. He is saying that there is so much bad in the world and that he is scared. just chill, dude. DOOM is just an example he is using for this whole time. You don't have to get angry or mad. He is looking for help, and we can help. 

[Phobus]

I love the idea that Doom was only mainstream after 2016. The game that killed productivity in the early 90s and is ported to everything with a processor attached to a screen? Doom is probably more mainstream than Tetris or Pac-Man. An unwelcome patched-in anti-cheat system can't kill this franchise or Classic Doom, it'll just do reputational damage to id and Bethesda and turn people off of Doom Eternal. We'll still have the original games, their community and their WADs and mods.

 

Stop panicking and stop acting like memes and stupidity on social media count as actual thoughts real people have.

[SYS]

Doom's not going anywhere. The ADHD lynch mob will lose interest and proceed to the next big thing to dunk on. Breaking news about omg did the thing, and another influencer drama video taking 20 minutes to explain something that could be explained in 10 seconds. 

[Linguica]

I'm not emotionally drained by the drama surrounding Doom Eternal at all. Doom has proven to be basically immortal at this point so I can gawk at the latest statue of Ozymandias and wonder what the next one will be like.

[Morpheus666]

i usually don't listen to what people say for the most part, i like doom, Yes i do hate that Bethesda did this but just because there fuckup, it shouldn't ruin your love and inalienability to the game and what the reason behind why you play, Because when it all boils down to it: FUN, that is the core reason why people like video games, Also as people has stated before: It's kinda best if you stay away from social media all together IMO. (mainly since there's just so many Toxic people who like to spam the ever-loving shit out of you) 

[taufan99]

I, for one, can understand the burnout that some of us are experiencing. I have been part of many fandoms, and there have been points where I just don't feel like continuing and calling it quits for quietly, because of how many negative takes/people I've witnessed alone. Heck, as a Japanese 2D idol fan, I just can't help it seeing another non-Japanese fan(s) rambling about... quite so many things (usually regarding the franchise(s) they like). Sounds hypocritical, I know, but as has been said by others, these takes can kill your soul and turn you into a bitter person.

 

I can't advice much, other than perhaps to take a break for a while. And maybe to stop caring about some of these negative takes/people and like whatever you like. I say, "can't advice much" because I'm still taking some time to do these, and so far haven't been benefiting yet.

 

However, something about the DOOM fandom just keeps me comfortable enough here. Perhaps this may be (according to my humble self) because people present themselves and/or their takes as "humble, mature opinions" instead of angry, bitter rants. That, and the fandom's creativity is just unmatched to most degree.

[doomsucksass]

its a game lol

[insertwackynamehere]

8 hours ago, Man of Doom said:

And now, you basically now have Doom-related hot takes all over the internet ranging from...“if you like Doom Eternal or nuDoom in general, you should just fucking kill yourself because you’re worse than a Hillary Clinton shill”.

If someone said that you can rest easy knowing they are probably failing at life and I’m not even an avid Hillary supporter. Just imagine the kind of person who would type that in earnest lol

[Danfun64]

So a closed source game implements utter shit a couple months after release?

 

Meh.

[hypoactive]

[Man of Doom]

7 hours ago, Jimmy said:

Maybe get off social media. Hot Twitter takes will kill your soul.

 

To tell you the truth, I can easily ignore all the trolls shitposting about how the Doom franchise sucks now and whatnot (hell, I had to do the same when it comes to the Wolfenstein franchise and how it's totally been driven to the ground with titles like The New Colossus and Youngblood). That's not really the issue. (If anything, the trolls shitposting about how "dewm sux lol" tend to inspire more laughter than despair.

 

7 hours ago, Tormentor667 said:

I guess I missed something. What has happened?

 

It's not necessarily the whole Denuvo DRM that's got me. It's also the Mick Gordon OST shitshow as well as what happened with the public reputation of Doom Annihilation (where everyone pretty much decided it was hot garbage before it came out and things got to the point where there were even reports of people sending death threats to the cast and crew of that film). I guess you can say it's been an amalgamation of shitshows that occured within the Doom community that all seemed to pile up in a surprisingly short amount of time.

 

8 hours ago, seed said:

Besides, the Doom community always held a variety of opinions regarding the series, for some it was more action-y, for others more horror, corny, and so on. There was never a singular vision when it came to the series, both from the developers side and the fans'. I would also advise ignoring the shitheads as well, those usually have the biggest and loudest mouths, looking like there's more anger than there really is but in reality there's not.

 

Yeah, that's very true. The original Doom has always very much open to interpretation when it comes to its tone and style even when it comes to official titles (further supplementing this is Doom 3's more horror-inspired take vs. nuDoom's more action-inspired take).

 

8 hours ago, seed said:

I doubt this marks the end of Doom as a great series and slowly falling into complete mediocrity and the darkness that comes with it, so our best chance right now is to do our part, wait, and see what results we get.

 

5 hours ago, Phobus said:

An unwelcome patched-in anti-cheat system can't kill this franchise or Classic Doom, it'll just do reputational damage to id and Bethesda and turn people off of Doom Eternal. We'll still have the original games, their community and their WADs and mods.

 

3 hours ago, Linguica said:

Doom has proven to be basically immortal at this point so I can gawk at the latest statue of Ozymandias and wonder what the next one will be like.

 

Well, it seems like the Steam sales now beg to differ, and that thanks to the recent fuckup with Eternal, the Doom franchise may potentially be going the way of Duke Nukem Forever (as in, a franchise has basically been taken behind the shed Old Yeller-style thanks to a massive fuckup with just one title). Not helping is that people are calling for refunds in droves:

 

 

(Ok, I do kind of admit that this may be hyperbole, but to see sales for DE drop off by that much? Fucking hell.)

 

Seriously, I will blame Bethesda if it turns out this one update outright ends up killing the Doom franchise as a whole. Plus, the main party that's going to suffer from all this (aside from the community) is id Software.

You can definitely tell that they poured nothing but passion into these latest Doom titles, and to see their work get shat on like this is nothing short of heartbreaking, especially when they had nothing to do of the situation and were basically at the mercy of some bean counter who somehow decided "hmm this is a good idea". Hell, people are outright calling to boycott id, ignoring the fact that id was in a deep quagmire back during the development of Rage and the original Doom 4 (AKA "The Call of Doom Prototype").

 

7 hours ago, Kristian Nebula said:

After all this recent mess has calmed down, we will still have a lively community creating maps.

 

Don't get me wrong, the modding community for Duke3d is still very much alive making new content for it, but that's still not gonna stop DNF from existing, and that's not going to just bring back the Duke as a franchise.

Plus, we may still have the Doom modding community (as the classic title will pretty much never die), but the existence of any future Doom titles might even be called into question. Hell, the hype for Eternal's singleplayer DLC is pretty much now dead in the water at this point.

 

40 minutes ago, insertwackynamehere said:

If someone said that you can rest easy knowing they are probably failing at life and I’m not even an avid Hillary supporter. Just imagine the kind of person who would type that in earnest lol

 

Heh, I actually got it from this video:

 

6 hours ago, LiT_gam3r said:

It isn't about that, only. He is saying that there is so much bad in the world and that he is scared. just chill, dude. DOOM is just an example he is using for this whole time. You don't have to get angry or mad. He is looking for help, and we can help. 

 

Yeah, you pretty much hit the nail on the head there. In 2020, there has been absolutely nothing but soul-crushing news both on a personal scale and on a non-personal scale. Especially now during a literal world-changing event, I just want to enjoy a franchise I've known since I was literally five years old only to find that it's now the center of an entire discourse, that people are now calling for said franchise to be euthanized, and that it's now the main whipping boy of a much larger issue if not the center of Internet ridicule.

I mean, I just want to do some good-old demon killing without there being some weird controversy behind it.

 

 

I guess I'm just tired of everything.

[DOEL]

My Doom vent, not really related to OP -

 

I don't think most gamers understand just how influential Doom really is. I mean, you can to at least some extent thank it for speedrunning, online gaming, the FPS genre, competitive gaming, DirectX and therefore Xbox, Valve software, downloadable content, the modding scene, computer gaming in general, and more.

 

I know I'm a total fanboy but I'm sick of every other thing I see in relation to games being about Mario and Zelda. And, hot take incoming, side scroller platforming games are boring as fuck.

[AschTheConjurer]

I was very happy to have ETERNAL come out.
Not only did some of those semi-wholesome semi-murderfest Animal Crossing/DOOM memes genuinely bring me to tears a couple times, at the notion of two completely unrelated (except for release date, to my knowledge) communities sharing some positivity in a shitty time, but DOOM ETERNAL also finally gave me a tangible thing to point to about a problem I'd had with DOOM 2016 that no one seemed to understand:

I had taken issue with DOOM 2016 when it released because, as I saw it, they had basically 'stolen a shitload of content and design philosophies from some of my favourite OG DOOM modders' and implemented them in a fashion I personally considered worse and less fun than those mods. Then Eternal came along and DOUBLED-DOWN on 'stealing content from OG DOOM mods', but this time integrated it in a way I thought worked absolutely brilliantly. So while I don't really have the words to nitpick exactly HOW the execution is different, I could at least point to these two different things and say "this one did it wrong, this one does it right".

 

Sadly, now I can't even replay DOOM Eternal to refine and qualify how I came to these conclusions, because as it was, DOOM Eternal could barely barely run on my computer (all settings minimum and cranked resolution down to effectively 360p), and now with Denuvo, it's not even worth starting up. Looks and plays like a Powerpoint Slideshow.

 

To me, this feels like one of the only things in the gaming industry that made me happy has now been quite literally "taken away". This kinda sudden change that broke a game and made it unplayable for me is why I've detested the idea of 'Games as a Service' for so long.

[dr_st]

10 hours ago, Dark Pulse said:

Mostly, community revolt over Doom Eternal getting a Ring 0 Anticheat added into its patch, and in Bethesda's infinite wisdom, it's self-reinstalling if you remove it and mandatory even if you play singleplayer. (Issues which they will be looking into addressing.)

So, folks with the pirated "repacks", possibly together with the Denuvo-free executable that "leaked" (right) on release day - should be safe from that patch?

 

Performance issue aside, I also can't help but wonder how much of a risk this really is. A lot of vitriol had been poured on similar "Ring 0" copy protection schemes, like SecuROM, SafeDisc, StarForce (esp. StarForce), but no real exploits were ever demonstrated. MS eventually disabled SafeDisc due to alleged security issues, but I'm not aware anyone has actually been compromised through that.

[seed]

43 minutes ago, dr_st said:

So, folks with the pirated "repacks", possibly together with the Denuvo-free executable that "leaked" (right) on release day - should be safe from that patch?

 

Performance issue aside, I also can't help but wonder how much of a risk this really is. A lot of vitriol had been poured on similar "Ring 0" copy protection schemes, like SecuROM, SafeDisc, StarForce (esp. StarForce), but no real exploits were ever demonstrated. MS eventually disabled SafeDisc due to alleged security issues, but I'm not aware anyone has actually been compromised through that.

 

No that's incorrect actually, Dark Pulse gave an example of a Sony DRM recently which was exploited... a month after it started being used.

 

So yes, the potential danger is very real, and will be taken advantage of sooner or later, it's not a question of "if".